well thats one way to put it, i just say we shouldnt be too invested on that quote since it could just be someting crappy as expanding void elf lore or him breaking a lightbulb.
also obligatory:
is that like a personal attack or something? i like my shiny shoulderpads thank you very much and i would totally mog them on a more dim stormwind or when i get some decent ones.
No, its just me being frustrated with Blizz’s writing methodology.
They seem far too concerned about maintaining this arbitrary purity test with the Alliance, and don’t seem concerned at all with what they do to the Horde identity. I never want or expect the Alliance to do something as horrific as what the Horde Faction has been forced to do, but just the tiniest bit of nuance would be nice. It would be comforting to know the Alliance and its characters are capable of having flaws enough to allow the Horde avenues to virtue beyond “being submissive and convenient for the Alliance”.
i know droite, it was a joke.
i understand your position and wish things wouldve been different but they blew their chance on bfa with genn, rogers, lordaeron etc…
Why don’t the hate blinded AU Mag’har led by Geya’rah just unreasonably attack the Lightforged, like they’re portrayed as supposed to be doing. Turalyon justly defends his people from the unreasonable attack, Lightbound show up. Take it to far. Show down at Lordaeron, Turalyon changes his mind, kills Yrel and tells Geya’rah to quit being racist?
I genuinely do feel like Blizz has an opportunity to usher in the Light Cosmology expac with a little dose of Ner’zhul with Turaylon here. Having his Faith and need to be the Hero used against him, and him not realizing his mistake till its too late. All you need to do is capitalize on all the peaceniks and PCs being locked conveniently away in the SLs; the Lightbound/Yrel coming as friends and shifting the balance of power in the Alliance’s favor immensely; and the House of Nobles/Lothraxian whispering in Turalyon’s ear.
You just need the right type of catalyst to convince Turalyon of what he should already sort of think giving his experiences. That we’re evil monsters and a danger to ourselves and others, that need to be saved from our worst selves. I’m not even stating outright making him a villain. Just have the Lightbound show up while we’re gone as friends. Actually learn from the Iron Horde’s mistakes and pull a little “Blue Beetle” Reach style invasion, with a dash of “Invasion of the Body Snatchers” with the Lightbinding. And when one of a handful of characters gets a little to close too the truth, have them killed and their death pinned on the Horde. Faol, Genn, or Velen would have the most impact. Thus, Turaylon has means, motive, and opportunity to give my Red Faction a Good Light based slapping … but consequently allow the Light to get a strong foothold on Azeroth. Using our own “converted” against us when they’re ousted.
After we fix the afterlife there will literally no longer be any good reason for the Forsaken to continue to exist.
And considering they already lost Lordaeron, and the Alliance or Alliance-friendly forces hold most of the Lordaeron subcontinent now already I don’t see why Turalyon saying “yeah we should consolidate our hold on the area” is particularly controversial.
The horde attacking first is a problem
i mean… again? thats soooo out of season.
You have more faith than i do on the story, i really dont want anduin to be right again and i think the light crusade approach may work as a plot, if shadowlands doesnt resolve anything with tyrande i see the schism of the alliance growing larger and a nasty civil war incoming…
Maybe if we lay all of it at anduin’s feet somehow it could work.
I just thought it was something that made a lot of sense given context, and was 1000% plausible.
i know and it sounds ok but the thing is people are tired of the horde starting crap indiscriminatedly right after they supposedly changed, always a radical element or a false flag operation or… something… both sides are tired and on a meta level it would just make things uninteresting, i expect a reaction along the lines of “FFS NOT AGAIN” from both horde and alliance playerbase.
Why would Turalyon have to behave irrationally then?
Why it has to be irrationally? i mean they could go with a cop out as mind control or just outright lying like framing the horde maybe yrel convinces him, you know blizzard doesnt shy out from handing the idiot ball to someone if they need too and thats usually the one handed to the alliance.
Well, it doesn’t have to be. I suggested an easy way for him to have actual beef, and it be genuine. Instead of coming from the annals of history, or literally an alternate universe. If your concern is firstly that the Horde don’t start it, I missed that caveat in the OP.
Well why do you think people wanted anduin to start crap on bfa? im pretty sure its not only my concern, Geya’rah starting crap makes sense and it would be fine if not for the fact all the baggage from the previous wars and the horde supposedly turning a new leaf, again like for the third or fourth time just to be the aggressors of the next big thing.
The faction war has an incredible amount of baggage after the fiasco of bfa im sure they wont touch it on the next expansion, maybe on the 11.x.x expansion, its gotten so bad that anything they do will spoil the fun for a large chunk of people.
You can bet your butt if i see another theramore or teldrassil im gone for good.
I have a teeny hunch why people would want Anduin to have started crap in BfA, but it doesn’t relate to the sense I’ve made. It makes a lot of sense even with the baggage though, if Geya’rah can’t tell the difference between Lightforged and bound. I doubt she would care about who gets fussy with her bloodlust.
What does fixing the Shadowlands have to do with whether or not the Forsaken should “continue to exist”? If they want to continue on “living” for awhile longer, why shouldn’t they?
As for Turalyon taking over Lordaeron: what if Calia Menethil doesn’t want him to? As much as I don’t want her to become the Forsaken leader, especially with her current character development, she supports the right of the Forsaken to live there, and if we’re talking about who has the “right” to Lordaeron she definitely has a better claim than Turalyon does. Turalyon is the only major Alliance leader with any historic claim to Lordaeron since he’s originally from there, the same is not true of Anduin or Genn, and Turalyon wasn’t royalty.
MU Ner’zhul’s spirit could have flown out from the helm when it got split, and then he starts whispering to Geya’rah about the void, and shadow. So then there’s even more reason for her to start beef with the Alliance and Turalyon. It’s got that Light/Shadow vibe. Then after Turalyon sees the Lightbound who show up taking it to far, and save the Horde from both cosmic forces, so the AU Mag’har can keep their Draenei hating racial trait. They could even let Geya’rah and Yrel live that would be awesome.
I don’t think a fallen kingdom offers its nobility any sort of claim to the newly established government on that land. Neither Turalyon nor Alleria have really had any claim since the Forsaken built a nation there.
I’d like to see the Desolate Council make a return.
As a note I am also not overly fond of the idea of taking a villain bat to a literal genocide survivor group. No matter how course and aggro they come off as. I am already worried enough that Blizz intends to whitewash what appears to be a literal, prolonged, deliberate, systematic cultural Genocide (rather than just a witless tool for an act of it) since the Lightbound are technically an Alliance race. Despite their own in game book “Sermon of the High Exarch” being REALLY damning. No need to throw fuel to that fire, especially since it makes total sense for Geya’rah to have sided with Sylvie in 8.2.5.
There is no more desperate group within the current Horde than the AU Mag’har. They are the tiny fragment of survivor who lost their entire world to a cultural purge that seems to have extended far beyond just the Orcs (including Botani, Oggron, Ogres, Saberon, and Goren). Them being skiddish of another Light worshipping group just like the one that “convert or died” them all moments before makes sense. Geya’rah also was not around for (nor would understand) Teld; is new to the world; has only the Horde to rely on for her refugee people; and does not know either Saurfang or Thrall … so has no reason to betray the Warchief she just swore loyalty to for them. She lacked the context to make that choice.
That plays great into the Cycle of Hatred idea. I mean, AU Mag’har hates the Draenei before they became the Lightbound. So it makes total sense that they would hate the Draenei of Azeroth even worse, for less reasons, even though they’re not Lightbound.
It would be really fitting to have Thrall chide her for doing exactly what they’ve been crying about the Alliance having done in the past.
They didn’t actually hate the Draenei. You do have to read Hellscream to get any of the nuance of WoD, but generally the attack on the AU Draenei by the Iron Horde wasn’t really a “genocide” attempt.
Rather, it was Garrosh convincing his father that if he did not suppress and contain the Draenei, they would get in the way of the Iron Horde’s attack on Azeroth. And the attack on Azeroth was compelled by Garrosh literally pulling a KJ to Grom’s Ner’zhul and convincing his dad that if he did not invade Azeroth it would result in the enslavement and extinction of the Orcish people. Which he did by first gianing Grom’s trust by saving him from the Fel, and then using selective visions of the Post 2nd War Internment Camps.
Long story short. The AU Orcs didn’t so much hate the AU Draenei. Especially, after like nearly 30 years of working cooperatively with them to completely push all traces of the Legion off AU Draenor. So lets not take a villain bat against a cultural Genocide Survivor because she’s a little twitchy about Light Worshipping and Enhanced Draenei being on the world she just escaped to moments after she escaped shall we?