To be fair, Vol’jin made threats of killing him back in Cata and Sylvanas was doing Sylvanas things.
With “allies” like those it’s no wonder he snapped.
Not to mention he basically said he wasn’t ready for the responsibilities of being Warchief but Thrall gave him the job anyways.
He didn’t cheat. Unless specified, Mak’gora rules do not don’t say you can’t use magic. And there are examples of Mak’gora where magic was used prior to the Thrall/Garrosh fight.
No rules were specified, so anything goes.
I remember seeing Garrosh throw a bomb and trying to kill a tauren for not wanting genocide on children. He is a no for me.
Garrosh doesn’t exist in that timeline, it’s the entire reason Kairoz sent him there in WoD.
Unless I am misremembering?
The thread evolved into what I didn’t want…
pretty much the entirety of Horde villain bat nonsense in WoW since Cataclysm comes back to that one dumb-a$$ decision by Thrall.
Like, it’s all his fault.
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In that AU/AD…he leads off with a CC cycle of doom. then beats the crap out of thrall who can’t cast now.
I too want to see that AU. Wow’s last good villain.
No 3d chess. no deeper meaning. I am putting an axe in this dude’s head jsut for standing there.
I’d take that over repeated use of I am saving the world if not universe…by killing 99.999% of it.
fallout 4 used this plot years go. IN the automaton dlc. It at least made some sense.
the robots reasoned: humans will die to something else, possible more painful even, anyway. Killing them instantly was saving them from a worst fate.
oh and the robo brain that thought it up was a experimented on former criminal. Fallout Robo brain project used criminal test subjects you see.
Criminal mind, made even more unhinged from unethical experiments.
Killing people to save them now makes sense. A now massively sociopathic brain in a jar of goo thought this up.
You didn’t want a thread with yet another argument about how the Great and Wonderful Garrosh did nothing wrong and WoW needs to always be dark and edgy and miserable and War for the Horde blahblahblah?
Every thread that so much as mentions Garrosh inevitably turns into that. because Garrosh stans are weird.
Writers could write this better to not go that route. they opted not too. Okay…this was maybe in part due to them not wanting to get sued by games workshop so they change stuff to avoid IP litigation.
See warhammer (40K). their writers make orcs violent, bloodthirsty and…(darkly) humurous.
I mean I favor armies of the God emporer. Duty only ends in death!, for me. For the emporer!
But I think the orc armies are cool as hell all the same. Its the humans who are edgy. Orcs are the more like comic relief. Albeit very violent comic relief.
He wanted the other races to work toward the war effort as much as the orcs did. It’s always orcs on the front lines and he made that change.
Side note, gameplay wise it’s the first time you saw so many different horde races working together. The blood elves had their part, the goblins too. Even in rebellion it was a pretty good show of the Horde. I kinda like those expansions that showcased more than the orcish Horde.
Going back to Vol’jin, Vol’jin never respected Garrosh from the start. He always disrespected Garrosh openly. He never wanted to obey his Warchief commands.
Yes you can factor that Baine and Vol’jin wanted to make peace and didn’t believe in war. But was that war not justified from the Horde? The Alliance kept fortifying Theramore and accumulating more war forces in it. Even when it got nuked it was mostly a military outpost at that point and civilians were mostly evacuated.
If anything it was very surprising for Varyan to show mercy to the Horde… just for the Horde to go to war again couple expansions later.
That makes no sense, the races have always been seen working together in-game since Vanilla. Wrathgate, Dark Portal, Icecrown, we’ve always had each others backs in major operations.
Garrosh was hot-headed and a total idiot from his inception. Nevermind trying to effectively usurp the Horde almost immediately, but then going on and actively hurting the war effort in Northrend by needlessly picking fights knowing full well that any dead would only fuel the Lich King’s efforts cemented him as a raging moron unworthy of the position. Thrall just got starry-eyed when he saw an uncorrupted Hellscream and figured the guy would grow into the role as he had, not knowing that Garrosh really had no further depth than ‘MUST KILL BAD BLUE MAN’ and ‘Serve the Horde or be crushed beneath it.’ Garrosh wanted to have a personal army and destroy anyone that dared critique or suggest his ways weren’t the best.
Vol’jin never respected him because Garrosh didn’t earn it despite having the entire Icecrown campaign to cool off and learn how to actually lead. Since Garrosh wasn’t getting the picture, Vol’jin knew he had to keep contingency plans at the ready. Unlike the Hellscream failson, Vol’jin’s not an idiot, he knows when he has to plan ahead and when he has a problem. Baine as well fits in this regard, maneuvering around problems and trying to find other solutions that aren’t immediately obvious (or countered by the opponent).
Plus, Garrosh was just trying to repeat the events of Warcraft 2… Which did not leave the Horde in a good state, unless one imagines the hay cots the Alliance provided their captives were unusually fluffy. Maybe Thrall’s. So Vol’jin and Baine had every right to raise their voices and urge for peace or at least negotiations, but Garrosh did as Garrosh does and just steamrolled forward, consequences be damned.
For all his fury, Varian understood (and made sure everyone else understood) that there were friendships that transcended the faction lines, so while he growled and grumped, he still allowed the Horde at the negotiating table when things reached their peak.
Do we really want Garrosh back so blizzard can ruin him?
I mean, it’s hard to ruin something that’s already a catastrophic failure, but eh. I’d be happy if I never saw that jackass again.
Welp gonna be disappointed.
Something that shouldn’t of made it to live and likely only existed to pander too people who for some reason think being an Orc Supremacist and violent war criminal is doing nothing wrong.
No it wouldn’t be more interesting seeing a timeline where he got what he deserved sooner when he first challenged Thrall to Mak’gorah.
Why just why that would be the most boring thing ever.
He was badass. And yeah, that stuff was bad. But a mix of aggressive MoP Garrosh and Cata Stonetalon Garrosh would have been perfect. He was a leader. The Horde council is a joke and is laughable to OG players. The current Horde is basically the antithesis of what players signed up to play 20 years ago.
A bunch of badly written nonsense probably forced in by Alex Afrasiabi who was allegedly a Garrosh fan boy like one of the first things he did upon joining the Horde was challenge Thrall to Mak’gorah for leadership of the Horde Thrall simply gave him what he wanted from the beginning.
Yuh he was such an awesome leader in WotLK he sent the Horde Champion on a bunch of redacted missions hoping they’d die like such a great leader.
Yah they did Garrosh’s character dirty by turning him into Orc Hitler when he was a proud military commander for much of Cata. It was forced and silly. The current ruling council of the Horde feels like a red Alliance.
If Blizzard is good at one thing, it’s character assassination against Warchiefs