Causals are NOT the majority anymore, this expansion is obviously favoring the hardcore crowd because they provide more of a service to the games longevity compare to folks who log in for an hour, go for an old mount and log off.
I had fun in Torghast until tonight when Blizzard made it way harder. I was up to level 7, couldnât even get the first boss down. Went back to level 6 since I just cleared it yesterday and it was just as hard. Itâs not fun currently. Not much reward either for how difficult it is.
They have, thats why we continue to see mass server merges and those server pops are still low. Then you look at the raiding scene and its an 1/8 of what is was 1 expansion agoâŚ
The answer is nuanced:
Is there a disconnect between the Devs and the players? The answer isâŚit depends on which players.
- For the silent majority? Yes, but they speak silently with their wallets, letting the Sub numbers ebb and flow according to how the game is perceived. And this in turn lets Blizzard measure how bad the disconnect is, and thus let them try throwing things at the wall and see what sticks. This is what happened in BfA; they tried to adjust the established system, overhaul it and then outright replace it.
- For GD? YesâŚand it is probably the most intentional, not nessecarily malicious though. GD represents a minority of players, a marginal loss to the company. Whenever a change that is implemented happens to line up with a consistent demand from GD, itâs generally because that same demand alligns with either of the two other camps of players.
- For Content Creators/Streamers/Top %ers? YesâŚbut it is one Blizzard actively tries to bridge. Top raiding guilds can have much easier times getting in contact with people on the Dev team because they often know people on the Dev team. Streamers and Content Creators are a huge part of advertising for the game these days so if theyâre going around saying something is wrong then that message is going to reach a good chunk of people that far outweighs the combined spending power of hte GD ForumâŚso Blizzard in turn watches and listens to themâŚbut that doesnât mean that the Leadershipâs foresight always alligns with the Prolific Players.
I think you should strive to find enjoyment with the game however you like the most.
If you donât enjoy that content, donât pursue it.
There is a TON of other stuff to pursue instead.
If you like none of it thoughâŚ
That is a problem for you to reckon with.
Blizzard has done more than their share of offering variety of ways to enjoy yourself in azeroth.
If you canât find a single one, that is no longer an issue with the game alone.
Of course itâs coming from hate, or some other negative emotion. The game I loved for years was changed for the worst, changed from being legitimately compelling and engaging to gating literally everything compelling behind time gates and busywork to keep my play time occupied.
Catering to any specific playerbase is bad, but Blizzard used to have things for both casuals and hardcore players to enjoy. Now it takes more time to do anything in game, for less progress.
Also WoW was always the casual game, thatâs how it got so popular. You should know this.
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Yeah no one is complaining that the gear was difficult to vendor or that they didnât know how to use the Scrapper. The complaint was that epic gear became more and more mundane and meaningless because it was raining from the sky.
If vendor food cost 300g apiece, people would cherish self-cooked food and conjured mana buns more. Mages might be in demand to sell stacks of food once again. Itâs the same idea. Not only does epic gear raining down from the sky cheapen all gear, it cheapens all other forms of content, particularly group and social content that provided comparable gear and was often much more difficult than drawing a circle in the dirt for Tortollans.
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Oh! Youâve gone and made the same claim again while providing exactly zero evidence.
The only evidence we have of player participation in specific things tends to be raider io and WCL. Both of which show a sharp drop in participation from the last expansion, if Iâve been paying attention.
Donât lecture me with that BS. I have been playing for a long time and my first post EVER was yesterday.
through all of the crappy expacs that blizz has acknowledged âmissed the markâ I NEVER complained.
But yeah, its a me problem apparently.
Thanks pumpkin.
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Dude please, why are you just making up nonsense to try to get into this conversation.
Its got enough going on as it is.
Mass server merges?
An eighth of the raiding scene?
You actually believe this stuff?
It seems like youâre still living in 2006, this mightâve been the case then but causals just donât bring enough to the table compared to hardcore players. There are far more people who PvP rated, do M+ and Normal/H/M raids in WoW than there are who donât because most of the causals who donât participate are off playing other games or not on the forums.
Citation
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So you are saying you enjoyed BFA more than the first month of Shadowlands?
instead of making a logical argument about your opinions, you are now making claims that other peopleâs opinions should be ignored because you donât like them
solid sophistry there
There are millions upon millions of people subbed to this game in the West yet youâre using niche online communities to determine what the playerbase feels? O.O
You donât have to do busy work. All you need to do is play Mythic +, do raids, the Maw daily, Torghast weekly, and barely ever touch renown. World quests are optional and renown quests are almost non-existent.
Borrowed power??? What exactly is the borrowed power that is the problem currently that we need power back into?
The issue is that virtually everything in Shadowlands that I might enjoy is gated behind busywork that I donât.
Like what?
As Iâve said, Iâm subbed for Classic at this point. Shadowlands, to me, and weâll see however many other players who arenât hardcore, was already a failure.
Blizzard has spent a lot of time directly removing these things, actually. And - accidently by incompetence or not - also hurt people who just enjoy doing legacy content.
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Itâd be like literally every company in the world that makes a product because everyone knows that people are 4 times more likely to complain than give praise.
Imagine what it must be like to stan for one of those companies in what is basically a support forum for their product and to do nothing but berate people who have issues with that product while insulting them and telling them over and over to stop using the product while acting as a defacto unpaid PR rep for them for YEARS. For LITERALLY YEARS.
Oh waitâŚyou donât have to imagineâŚ
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Instead of discussing the topic, you are discussing how I am discussing the topic.
Was this thread created to give examples of why there is a âdisconnectâ between the playerbase and the development?
I am starting to think that might be the case.
This seems to be a common tactic amongst the casual community whenever you stump one of their arguments 
So you are saying that people should leave the game if they do not like itâŚ
This is your advice as an MVP? My-way or the highway? Casual should just sit back and be quiet. This is your advice?
Again, still not shocked.
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