How are they disconnected when in this thread alone there are both causals AND hardcore players enjoying the game? Seems like it’s a resounding success to me.
Right that mentality is likely why they never interact with the community any more.
Imagine what it must be like when your own forum you created for people to discuss the game is filled with people who seem to hate everything about it, and whenever you give your side you get self-indulgent stuff like this:
Like for real, is this an actual statement any person would make who is trying to “work to make the game better” or whatever that quote was that started all this?
Blizzard has become an echo-chamber for elitists who cannot even see casual players now… because of this, I am not even shocked that as representative of the company you cannot even acknowledge that the people who are dissatisfied might have a valid complaints.
You dismiss people who are unsatisfied or have a different opinion as frivolous without even beginning to try and understand why paying customers are unhappy. Am I shocked? No not really.
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If you think this is bad, that thread with Ion’s take on legacy content scaling had people literally calling him a horrible human and how he’s the worst thing to exist, and multiple people were celebrating it. Imagine getting that upset that you can’t farm some old mount or transmog that you resort to insulting someone you don’t even know like that, if anything the players complaining are the ones out of touch with the game.
Man what a weird thing to say when players have complained for like a decade about a lack of communication with Blizzard.
Acknowledge what? That the game right now seeks longevity through timegates and chores, rather than compelling content?
You’re damn right I’d be talking to Ion the same way if he tried to lawyer speak me and generalize the majority of the playerbase.
Classic TBC. Ironically, an era of the game that almost no dev at nu Blizzard actually made.
Respect is earned, and Ion and the vocal devs haven’t earned it. We’ve been bitter for years due to a lack of communication, a strong disconnect between the dev team and the playerbase, and seemingly more and more systems designed to keep us busy instead of compelling content.
Keep in mind who keeps these people employed.
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Yes.
Has been for years now… some would from Cata onward there has been an ever growing disconnect between Blizzard and the community. I’d personally say from WoD / Legion onward.
Examples.
- Mission Table / Nobody cares about it and yet it continues to be a thing in every expansion post WoD
- Borrowed Power / I miss the WoW before we were heavily nerfed once a new expansion hit. (Yes I realize we still could be nerfed with a new X-pac even before borrowed power. But still… it wasn’t as severe to my knowledge.)
- Their Ideals v Players / key example of this, is the covenant system and while the player base themselves are semi-divived on it. Blizzard is keen on pushing their idea of this system. Which inherently sucks if you ask me.
Does that mean Blizzard should listen to the playerbase reguarly? No, but if their Beta / Alpha testers that they SPECIFICALLY INVITED to test said 
are saying “THIS DOESN’T WORK!” Then they might want to lend even half a ear would be a start. 
And not just ignore it like they’ve done the past 3 examples with 3 different systems.
Luckily in our case Shadowlands is debate-ably the weakest out of the 3 IMHO.
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your telling people that there is nothing we can do to make the game better, but that blizz listens to them. these are mutually exclusive, one or the other can be true, not both.
you tell people the game is great and that anyone who disagrees is wrong and is using bad logic. please look in a mirror: you’re refusing to acknowledge that some, and perhaps a lot, of people disagree.
speak for yourself and learn some logic
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Imagine if you made a secret forum for actually valuable players whose opinion hold a lot of weight, and then ignore them - while at the same time your game takes a nosedive.
Is that related?
I don’t think there’s any redeeming you or the troll, so I don’t intend to bother.
But when someone makes a claim that goes against what we know and has historically been true, they need to provide evidence.
Again all you do is pay $15, the time you spent is irrelevant. This is their game, their platform and their vision that you willingly chose to be a part of. If you don’t like the way they’re going, which it seems like you don’t then why not vote with your wallet instead of continuing to hate?
I would be PISSED…at my own hubris, it doesn’t matter what the designer wants if the customers are unhappy, but in this case the customers WANT to be happy, and are constantly and repeatedly telling you what’s wrong, and you for some reason can’t see that so instead come in here with your flamethrower.
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“all is for the best in this, the best of all possible worlds!”
You are right. And weirdly, we are in complete agreement. The only difference is that i see this as a huge oversight and a massive headache for blizzard in the next few months as players realise you’re right, see the wall, and decide theyre done. You dont.
So i guess we’ll just have to wait and see if blizzard see the writing on the wall in the run up to 9.1 and bring an end to this experiment or not. If they dont though, i wonder whether the cyclical (patch) sub becomes the cyclical (expansion) sub? Or if people just decide, as both you and metrohaha insist upon, that the game is ‘no longer for them’.
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Their “vision” is meaningless when they get fired by the share holders because they’re hemorrhaging money due to poor design decisions.
Sadly, the subscription for Classic is tied to retail. Though, I may just unsubscribe until TBC.
I am not a representative of the company.
I am not dismissing them because they have a different opinion though.
I am dismissing them because they want something that is ostensibly conflicting with the purpose of much of the game design, and they want the game to change instead of themselves to change.
It just is not something you can take serious in most cases, sadly.
Too much of it is just venting.
Your text says otherwise. You’re not employed by them, but you are tied to them.
So you actually think we should all strive to grind M+ and Mythic raids, even if we don’t enjoy it? You think that’s a good, “purpose” of the game design, to ferry us all to content that most people don’t enjoy?
You’re still dismissing every player who doesn’t think like you, not just me.
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The fanboi arguments are hilarious. They sit there telling people they haven’t a clue how to make the game better. Then 3 posts later brag about Blizzard listening to feedback and implementing those feedback changes lol…
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The path towards happiness is within yourself.
If you need the game to change for you to find enjoyment of it, its time to find a different one.
It is just not fair to ask the game to change because you want it to, when others are enjoying it as it is.
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There seem to be a lot of different realities overlapping in this thread.
It’s possible we’re ALL rather disconnected and playing different games right now (which is sort of what an MMO is all about in my books, but it does come at a cost).
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Again it sounds like it’s coming from a place a hate instead of love, and when offering criticism I think your intentions should never be biased. Maybe taking a break might help, maybe it won’t but the reality is that this game is not catered to causals anymore and that’s not a bad thing.
To repeat your own words:
Catering to what is a much smaller portion of the player base and disregarding the rest is being disconnected. Also, while not taking a survey, the complaints seem to far outweigh the praises, especially if lvl 35 priests are removed from the equasion.
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You do realize the game changed, and thus our enjoyment of it has virtually ended? If the game changing is the problem, then rolling back those changes is the solution - or people just leave.
Many players are tired of busy work, of borrowed power, and any other dumb decision they’ve been forcing for years. Participation records is all Blizzard uses for success which is fundamentally flawed.
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