lol someone doesnt understand the rules of war or morality
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That’s exactly what I mean and how our laws and views today are are. That’s why I wrote “drop the general” in your “civilians are valid targets”.
I don’t use the word primitive in such a context.
a) They teach us lessons in WoW? I must have missed those. I already addressed it. In this fantasy world I could see it for some.
b) See my and your comments above.
You nuke me.
I nuke you.
Simple to understand right?
Still a war crime
Actually, not that simple because then everyone’s dead.
And thats why we had the cold war. What do you think would have happened if USSR knew that America won’t nuke them back because of humanitarian reasons?
Just out of curiosity. Would you consider nuking a civilian population if you felt not doing so could result in the annihilation of you and everyone you care about?
You know the civilians did not know about the burning right? No one did. They could not even support it and that’s such a dangerous take.
This is giving me… bad flashbacks.
No it doesn’t. That’s flat out evil.
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Teldrassil is a red herring to the incident being discussed.
Again, I disagree.
When the United States replied to Pearl Harbor, we did not do so by flying the Doolittle raid and calling it a day. We didn’t stop when we had achieved equal casualties, or equal damage - not even in proportion to other nations that Japan had wronged.
We stopped when we achieved an unconditional surrender predicated on Roosevelt’s repeated statements that the Axis needed to be disarmed. That is - we acted to deter future events of the same kind.
Proportionality is only one part of the conversation, and on that same note:
Curtis LeMay remarked that if the United States had lost the war, he would have been tried as a war criminal, and he was right. The deliberate firebombing of Japanese cities (not in the way that Severski prescribed, to attack industrial targets, but specifically to burn the residential ‘paper cities’, as they were so-referred-to), despite the larger context of the war that was taking place, cannot be called a justified move, and LeMay knew it.
History disagrees.
They knew… there is a little orc boy talking about it in orgrimmar.
wont change it being a war crime
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Leaving aside that you focused only on the Horde, when the Alliance is guilty of atrocities too, I do agree that Blizzard doesn’t show much “justice”/“revenge” for either side when it comes to faction wars.
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I know. I am not trying to getcha on anything. Im just asking a question.
Nope. In fact our modern laws came about because of this sickening nonsense.
Even if you have a brainwashed population as enemy, it’s simply evil to strick back in such a way.
No one knew. No one supported it. Sylvanas was the only one. It’s not even an argument if anyone would have known.
Sylvanas changed it randomly at the last moment.
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Fine take your pick.
Hillsbrad ethnic cleansing, theramore, the first war, wod etc…
Yeah America went in there to beat the guy into submission who dared destroy their flowerbed. Civilian casualties didn’t stop them from bomb cities, assaulting strategic islands and finally dropping couple of nukes and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians until Japan agreed to an unconditional surrender whereby they had to aggree to every demand from the US.
This doesn’t sound like a US pulling punches for a moral victory over an actual victory that garndered real peace and security. Now days they squat in the middle east with no purpose or mission.
This is not supportable. The Horde continued to defend and validate her actions.
Does that mean civilians deserve death? No, but it does mean that they have to be deterred from organizing into an aggressive, militaristic, manifestly genocidal state.
There is a kid in orgrimmar that talks about it. Why do you insist on assuming this is a big secret? Where is the proof of this?
I assure you if North Korea starts to bomb South Korea no amount of brainwashed North Koreans will be weighing on their conscious as they fire every gun pointed at Pyongyang.
Why are we pretending that enemy civilians will somehow deter an action that the enemy submitted against your civilians?
A part of the military.
Indeed. The rest is simply ending the war and caring about the aftermath process.
You yourself said it. Sylvanas burned the tree randomly. Only she know it. No one could support it, because it was a secret.
Not even Nathanos seemed to know.
A good War. War of Thornes.
I say you are a rather horrifying example for U.S. brainwashing. It’s sickening.
I recall it being mentioned that most of Orgrimmar supported Sylvanas over Saurfang. This was a big issue at the time. I’m surprised that it’s gone forgotten at this point.
As for your second statement, you seem to have taken it out of context. I can’t reply to it unless you address the entire concept.
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That’s not what we are talking about. His claim was people supported the burning. But this could only happen after the fact.
No one supported the war with the idea of burning Teldrassil. The mission was to secure it. As stupid as it may sound. I didn’t write the story.
What do you mean? That’s all there is to it.