Very true. Void is my lovecraftion guilty pleasure but death is where it’s at.
She’s had almost zero development, and that also doesn’t make sense. She’s been sitting idle in Orebos. We found her long dead brother who then disintegrated in front of us, and she had absolutely nothing to say about it.
Seriously, writers, what is going on? You need to story board this stuff because a lot of characters are just left doing nothing for two years, like Calia. Then after they stand around for two years, you’re going to flimsily try to substantiate her ascension to leader of a faction and it makes zero sense.
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Cubicle crawls take all of their energy.
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OOOOOOO whats your favorite god ?
praise be Shub-Niggurath
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Yeah its very disappointing. Had they developed her alot more i might be sorta on board but still angry over the disgrace they turned sylvies story into.
As it stands its just blizzs writing team being lazy as usual.
Also, it turns out that the supposed impotency of the Forsaken is due entirely to them not, you know, trying…
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Shub is awesome. I like Azathoth the blind idiot god, the demon sultan, the nuclear chaos.
Although I did name my highmountain bear Nyarlathotep lol
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Yes
Definitely yes. That was a pretty big plot point behind the Forsaken as a faction. They have an expiration date and no way of renewing themselves, until Sylvanas got her pet Val’kyr.
I’d unironically be all about that. We need some more Prestor intrigue.
Azathoth. Go big, or go shagurthufslshfhsphl!
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Praise the nuclear chaos!
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Nope, though to be fair you’ll likely never find a ‘general consensus’ on GD.
We just found one right now.
The general consensus is there will never be a general consensus on gd.
Yeah, I don’t like what they did with Sylvanas either. Just a wasted character and for what?
I do agree, if Calia got more development she might have been a good choice. But, she has no strong motivations besides “I don’t want to be leader, but they’re my people!” I’ve said before, make it so she’s dying, that the spells holding her together are fading and that she’s making it her mission to help the Forsaken as a last penance before she passes on. Seriously, anything at this point is better than nothing.
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Then after she’s gone make Lillian the leader since blizz obviously wants to keep sylvie as some hated character for the forsaken regardless of how forsaken main players or some belf main players, like me feel about her.
In everything except for the for one book only description of them in before the storm where they were brittle and easily killed, they are more or less un killable. You xan cut the head off one decaying body and put it on another and after a few minutes or so it would have full control.
The only real problem is any non belf Forsaken is they rot and some quicker than others.
They don’t eat or sleep
Can’t be poisoned by normal human killing poison just the stuff designed to kill undead that ironically they made.
Don’t breath so an underwater army could jump out of a boat, March up to stormwind from under the sea and lay waste to the city.
Only real weakness is the plague and saronite and the very few vital spots they have. They don’t even need their full brain to function look at the abominations as proof they won’t be smart but know what to do when told.
Thank you for this phrase, made my day 
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I wouldn’t call it a ret-con so much, as an expectation that the Forsaken will ‘come to see the error of their ways’, now that they’ve learned Silvanus has supposedly been deceiving them. It’s still a lot to expect, though; they’ve been ‘living’ and thinking a certain way for years, and aren’t likely to become paragons of virtue overnight.
When (or if) Calia becomes leader of the Forsaken, I think it would be an interesting sub-plot in the game for a seditious faction to form, most likely amongst the usual suspects, the Apothecary Society…especially if Calia outright bans the production of, or even the study of, plague weapons. It makes sense that she’d oppose such things, and would that ever p-o the crazy old chemists in the basement.
Princess Calia is the legitimate heir to the throne of Lordaeron. She wanted to reunite her Forsaken subjects with their living relatives and end the false impression that humans do not accept their deceased kin (See the Corpse’s Bride). The massacre was caused by a jealous Sylvanas when she was the Banshee Queen (evil minion of the Jailer) and not the restored High General of Silvermoon (Shadowlands 9.2).
I agree Princess Calia has shown no leadership abilities but she worked diligently in the Netherlight Temple with both Horde and Alliance priests to help defeat the Legion. Reminds me of Princess Diana. Not a leader but a great humanitarian and role model who united the world.
The Alliance is proud to call Princess Calia their ally and to help restore Lordaeron and reunite the Forsaken and their living family members and friends. Nothing wrong with that. But yes High General Sylvanas Windrunner should rightfully be the Forsaken’s Dark Lady and King Anduin should be sitting on the throne in Stormwind. But that’s not happening…
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But why do that after we know where they really came from? Everything the Scourge used was just perversions of Maldraxxian techniques originally intended to protect the Shadowlands and their role in the Cycle.
Sure Marileth is a bit crazy, but most of the House of Plagues are doing valuable work toward their goal of defending the Shadowlands. Plague weapons aren’t inherently bad, you just have to not target your allies with them like Wrathgate.
I mean, assuming the Horde is going to keep its warlocks and demon hunters and shadow priests… necromancy and plague are in the same “dangerous but CAN be used for legitimate goals if you’re careful” category. Otherwise, all the Horde’s death knights (and especially the unholy ones) are going to be in big trouble regardless of race.
+1 to Lillian for new undead leader / Horde Council rep, btw. I liked what they did with her in the BFA storyline with Zelling.
Thanks, I either wasn’t paying enough attention to this 15 years ago or have forgotten. I thought the tauren had convinced the Forsaken that joining the Horde was better than being alone in the world, and they actually meant it (except, eventually, retconning Sylvanas as a double agent who had never left the Scourge’s real boss).
That seems like a bad decision to have a group inside the Horde that is canonically not loyal to them, but that isn’t really reflected in gameplay (where they join the same groups and raids and guilds as any other Horde).
The confrontation between Garrosh and Sylvanas over raising new Forsaken in Cata illustrates this pretty well – did they intend to have Horde players on both sides of that? 5 expansions later it turns out they were both jerks and the Horde are better off without either of them, but if someone played their character as a Dark Lady stan then it really does force them to change in a way they may not like.