Is Sylvanas Lucifer?

I don’t know much about LaVey.

But I dig his mustache, goatee and bald head lol.

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Satanism has very little in common with the Christian myths anyway, it took Lucifer’s story as a basis simply because it represent well their values and why the movement came to be in the '60s and '70s as this is when a lot of people were getting frustrated with Christian Conservatism.

Its mostly an ideology of hedonism.

“Worship yourself, do whatever you feel like”.

Except for the fact they created him. Well, mostly, the most associated images: the horn and tail crud, was created centuries before in the the middle eastern area - if I remember my lectures from too long ago. But, Christians used him as the bad guy when I think it was a Word for adversary or a defender of some sort… not going to google, just using old memory fragments.

Oh yeah the source imagery its from that, but that mostly ends there from what i know (edgy teen me was very interested in the topic due to my upbringing). Never actually met one i’ll admit.

Its not like in the movies where they stand around a pentagram while sacrificing a goat or some crap lol.

Its an ideology more than a religion.

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Bible Lucifer didn’t have his soul broken by Frostmourne. He rebelled of his own free will, to the knowledge of the reader.

Sylvanas did have her soul torn by Frostmourne, like Uther, and we see both of those characters acting in a manner unbecoming of their fully-souled selves.

Did Sylvanas not offer Vereesa, her other sister, a chance to rule along side her? But as a forsaken, an undead, plus children? And all Vereesa had to do was to provide poison to kill Garrosh Hellscream? In the end, she didn’t go with Sylvanas and ended up telling Andruin about the poison.

I can see she has… a bit of compassion for her sisters, but at the same time, she must feel completely cut off from them. Now that Zovaal has given her her soul back, maybe she will understand why she’s been cut off from them. Can they forgive her? Can she make amends? Or, for when she was “mad, slipped, and burned Teldrassil”, put to death? Is that not a fair justice? She did what she did to avoid death, yet, death is what she deserves for what she did. Yet… how do we judge a soul who was fracture and corrupt? Do we hold them fully accountable?

Are we offering redemption and forgiveness in this case? Or holding her responsible for what she has done?

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“whip sound”

Made my day. And yes, that was John Lennon. Just nudging it up a notch.

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So, the fanfiction version that never happened.

tl;dr answer to your thread question is… “no”.

Idk. I choose not to judge. I enjoy her character and would love her stay as an ally. And would love for her to be an antihero. How she interacts with her former allies will be interesting. I just hope they don’t turn her into a tragic hero (kill her off with her sacrificing herself) or full on villain.
#teamantihero

I love that cover. Copia’s version of Lucifer is juuuuuust right lol

I’m sorry. That’s Papa IV. The Cardinal ascended! Normally, I wouldn’t say a thing. But… you know… religious folks need the details.

Oh I’m aware. I’m still working on remembering Papa for him.

Hmmm I beg to differ, I can certainly see a
parallel here

Rebelling against your creator out of jealousy of wanting to be them, knowing full well they have all power and is literally impossible for you to do anything about it, does indeed make you an idiot. His story doesn’t end well by the way.

Lucifer was more like the Jailer tbh, the story goes that Lucifer wanted to actually BE God, which is basically exactly what Zovaal wants, and he admitted as such.

I don’t believe in any flavor of invisible sky-fairies, but I am aware of much of the invisible sky-fairy lore.

I don’t think Sylvanas is meant to be a Lucifer character, or even a Horus (warhammer) character, but is really just an amalgam of poor writing decisions, retcons, and plot holes that is completely unrelatable and should have been killed off by now.

WC3 = Tragic character I could get behind. She goes from rock-bottom to founding a necropolis of her own in the ruins of Lordaeron. I can totally dig that.
Vanilla - WOTLK = Ok, she’s an edgelord who’s secretly evil. All in character with what I know of her so far. Her “maybe” being behind the wrath gate scenario was fun and added to her character.
Cata - WOD = About the same as before, but certainly took a back seat to the Garrosh Arc. Caring about undead reproduction doesn’t seem like a good fit to me. Books remained character accurate, and she gets in a few good lines in SOO.
Legion - SL = Terrible writing and story. Everything after the Broken Isles Legion opener event was just so weird and bad.

Longtime horde player: Please just let her die.

Are you seeing the parallel yet :laughing:

I think that Blizzard is probably heading the route of forgiveness, if the case turns out that Sylvanas really was behaving outside of her full capacities. Modern society generally considers those types of factors. A paranoid schizophrenic who commits murder would probably not get the death penalty, for example. They would be remanded to a mental facility. And if by some miracle they no longer were schizophrenic at some point down the road, they may be set free.