holinka already said they wont be changing much for class design in shadowlands.
so its bfa’s class design which was legions.
Clearly there is no accounting for taste.
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ty sir out side of covenants and the new tower instead of islands its the same game.
the biggest feature is the revamped leveling system.
call me crazy but we will be playing the same game as bfa.
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Several specs need fixed its shame there not addressing core problems in certain specs.
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I heard Shadowlands would also have Orcs, just like BFA did. Blizzard, so lazy
can you refute any of my points as in m+ is still there and the lootbox is still there?
The rng has been significantly reduced now. You get 6 items to choose from + a 7th, probably a currency if I had to guess, if you don’t like any of the options.
They haven’t explicitly stated what the 7th is as far as I am aware.
This is unfortunate if true. However, I don’t recall them mentioning pvp at all so I don’t think we’re sure of that.
Of course it is. M+ is awesome.
Would you have preferred them be replaced by the old daily system or the even older mob grinding system?
I prefer dailies in the style of wotlk, cata, and mop myself.
And?
I already addressed this one in a previous comment so I’ll skip it.
It’s that or one sided/dead pvp servers. I’m not sure if there is a way to make world pvp interesting in the modern game anymore.
We didn’t need a new one.
I take no issue with pathfinder but I know that plenty do. I still think that Pathfinder 1 should exist but that Pathfinder 2 is unecessary.
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PVE has benthic gear and titan residuum vendors.
PVE vendors - 2
PvP vendors - 0
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By this logic, BFA is Legion 2.0.
Blizzard claims it’s more like WoD, in the sense that they went for character customization over new classes. —> their words. So you can add that to the pile.
Shadowlands seems to be a copy/paste of different color/monsters of BFA/Legion.
Then again, thats what retail WoW is now. A constant rinse/repeat cycle of gears, zones, questing, and pathfinder.
TBH the game is very much less of an MMORPG, and more of a roleplaying game with some friends to beat bosses 2-3 days a week for a few hours. It reminds me a lot of the old xbox games I used to play.
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Seems more like a half arsed version of Legion. No new class, class halls replaced by only 4 convenants. End game zone (the maw) like Suramar. bringing back former characters, etc.
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all they are doing is letting you select the rng loot.the rng is still there.if you get say boots out of the rng lootbox you just select which boots you get but the next week you can get boots again.
thats your opinion of course.
they can come up with something new instead of the old rng world quest system.
we got robbed because of the new options for races at the chr select screen…they already said so.
alot of people do.
You realize that WoW thrived from Vanilla through Cata by basically only having quests, dungeons, raids, and PvP right? Sometimes more complicated systems aren’t always good for the game. It’s better if they do a few things really well, than do a lot of things that all suck, I hope BFA taught us all that.
wow vanilla was good because of the less rng,raids pvp and no esports.
Ok, we found the real topic of the thread here. OP doesn’t like esports. Just say that from the start instead of making stuff up.
How would they “focus on the class” like they said at Blizzcon if they continue to focus on the specialization like they currently do? sounds like you just didn’t get the change you wanted
i didnt make anything up.i listed what you will have in bfa vs shadowlands.its the same things.
and btw no one has refuted it.
This is true. However, it should allow at least for you you to pick up a sidegrade until you have your bis stats.
It is an improvement over what we have.
The rng in world quests is negligible to me. The system, however, is a very dull one and I would prefer some spice be added to it if nothing else.
World events would be a good start.
Had we gotten Necromancers along with Sethrak or some other reptilian race, I’d have neen able to play my main from ESO and would have been pretty stoked.
Barring that, I’ll take customization options and some improved classes over a new class any day, personally.
Which I said directly after that. 
I can, but you missed my point; which is I don’t have to. Its a wow game with wow expansion, which is going to be like other expansions.
Based on the evidence you’ve given nothing needs to change.
However…
wow m+ is still there and frankly a good thing the loot box as you call it was addressed. in one of the interviews and on stage of BlizzCon it was said that in order to make the loot box less random and more helpful if you could pick from a selection of items based on your activities.
I would go so far out onto a limb is to say that that is a huge improvement.