The Arena deflation within
Arena currently feels as dead as a 1.2k pop Private Server
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There are only around 200 players that pvp. Only 5 of them are at or above average. The game has been dead since Cata.
Participation always falls off throughout an expansion. I think there was a decent exception last expansion, with DF S2 rewarding the first new red PvP illusion in a decade. I’m having fun this season, but queues can def be longer and each rating bracket feels like more of the same pools of players over time.
I wonder who this season’s gladiator will be
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Rewards, IMO have a HUGE impact on participation. Much more so than I think blizzard realizes. People will actively play a horrible class, during a season with absolutely dogcrap class balancing, while ratings are massively deflated if the new tier set looks absolutely amazing. Same goes for mounts, illusions and even unique titles (No one cares about combatant through duelist anymore).
Unfortunately, most of the time the class sets are pretty crap, the last 3 illusions have been pretty much the same, and the seasonal mount/gladiator mount are both garbo. If they actually put some serious effort into the rewards, and you know, maybe added some new ones for once…they’d likely see a significant increase in participation. That, and also providing some sort of incentive to actually queueing through the season and not just waiting until the last 2 weeks. None of that will happen though.
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Yea, I just picked the classes this season and last to play because of the mogs. This season there were only two Monk and Warlock and I got them already. So now I can just have fun and play or do whatever I want.
It is actually really nice to have less stuff to do. I kind of like the crappy mogs because I don’t want to spend the time to get them.
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Agreed
I always play what I enjoy the look and feel of.
This is perhaps the biggest ‘sleeper’ issue… but also the easiest one to solve short-term by simply designing more enticing rewards for each season. Cosmetics that stand out are obviously a huge incentive.
What do you think would otherwise encourage more participation throughout the season? The easiest answer is a better MMR system, but gaining all ranks without effort and then competing for the top might result in the same “wait til the last 2 weeks and push” schematic. I’d say gearing is better than in the past, but it’s still somewhat of a barrier on proper balancing reads until relatively late in the season (as if we get more than 3-5 tuning passes per lol). The crafting systems might also be somewhat of a barrier to entry for some. It lowkey makes me miss BfA drops or even Legion templates, though the agency is far better now (but it’s MOSTLY still a cookie-cutting illusion… as are talents etc). Overall, yeah, the problems are too profound to address outside of a huge hypothetical overhaul in the early… Alpha phase of a new expansion (Earlier testing plz tailored particularly to PvP! We used to have this!!)
whenever I’m not playing it means pvp is dead
I have 0 desire to play rn either. Seems like a balancing garbage fire still
whats current healer of the week? Disc still or is it now holy priest? Holy priest and resto druid?
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We are 6 weeks into season 2. The numbers I have from previous seasons at the 6 week mark are:
DFS1: 171148 toons
DFS4: 131467 toons
TWWS1: 127429 toons
TWWS2: 108583 toons
As for other seasons I didnt get the data from the API during that time as I didn’t play. Though I am presuming its between DFS1 and DFS4 numbers.
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Damn, game really is dying.
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Should’ve recolored the mount again for War Within. 
Where did you get these numbers from and are they specific to solo shuffle or what exactly?
Blizzard API leaderboards(top 5000 per spec) for solo shuffle.
Waited 15 minutes today to get a q at 2k on hpriest.
Watch your mouth I thoroughly enjoy wearing my combatant title on all my alts.
At 7am? Thats probably normal.
In solo q it isn’t normal at all
I’ve always been able to get insta Q’s
They have this every roadmap. It just means new set/mount.
Literally same as always
why do you think it is dying…MMO PVP has never been as popular as erp or pve because that is just your average MMO player. Look at the guild forums. 50 posts lf raids and 1 pvp in the last half hour. Wait until we get player housing. FFXIV will cease to exist because they are all coming over here.
At least you still got a ranked queue. The SWTOR devs removed ranked PVP and endgame PVP a few years ago because they said it was “too toxic” and they even took away ranked rewards from every player in the game. Never thought such a thing was possible.
Though I wish they would have done it sooner so I could have quit the dumpster fire years ago
What are these numbers based off of? Active players? Solo shuffle? Arena? Does it include bgb?