PI can already be cast on the Priest. Why aren’t Priests buffing themselves by refusing to cast it on other players?
Don’t nerf me bro…
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You’re asking the same question again, i already answered this once.
You’re trying to spin this by refusing to see the answers presented.
I’ve said it before an I’ll say it again. Before PI I have never seen a class desperately screaming, begging for Blizzard to nerf them.
The answers you’re giving are inconsistent and cannot exist together if you use the same set of overarching axioms for each question. The answer you give for one question uses logic that if applied to the other makes your original answer break down. That’s why I keep asking the same questions. You keep contradicting yourself.
I didn’t, you’re just making this up as you go, by false accusations.
And i already proved you’re reading what you want.
See? You’re reading things how you want, instead of exactly what they mean.
It’s weird to me too. If it’s during progression: Give it to the person who will cause the most damage to be done. I would think everyone in the group would be happy about a boss dying faster. If it’s not progression and you just want to compete… don’t use it at all. If you want to all have some hasty goodness fun… have a rotation on a per night or per boss or per something basis. I have no idea why these are not solutions.
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Why do players ask for top classes to be nerfed in PVE?
The answer is the same.
I’m reading what you wrote. You said that PI being changed to be self-cast only is a Priest buff.
But the problem is that Priests can already cast PI on themselves. So why aren’t Priests skipping the middle man and buffing themselves? Do they hate buffs? I’ve never seen a WoW player who hated buffs.
It is a buff as usually they give that buff away.
You not recognizing this shows you either have no logic, or aren’t truthful.
Both of them show you’re not worth engaging.
It’s not the same. One is based on something the class is doing and one is based on a buff by someone else.
For the 4th(?) time… if you can prove classes are being balanced based around the presence (or not) of PI, then I am all ears (eyes?). Until then this is a socially created issue and can be fixed in a socially created way.
We will get to cast it on ourselves without even casting it on ourselves in DF so taking the “it’s a buff to priests!” route is even sillier than ignoring that we could opt to cast it on ourselves now.
Why are players asking for top classes to be nerfed in PVE?
Answer this, to answer your socially created issue.
And if they make PI self-cast, they’ll change the Twins of the Sun Priestess talent to something else. So it would be a buff to get some other talent in there as an option.
You didn’t think through the situation.
In that case I’m impressed at how many times I’ve gotten you to bite.
You argument relies on Priests somehow having a different goal than you. If the Priests in your party shared your goal of competing in individual throughput, then they would never cast PI on anyone other than themselves. To do otherwise would be to give a competitor an advantage and themselves a handicap. Since Priests regularly do not do this, that must mean that they are playing with some other goal. Perhaps the actual goal of the game Blizzard created mayhaps?
If everyone on the team agrees ahead of time to play the game of log climbers, then there’s no issue because Priests will cast PI only on themselves out of self-interest. If the entire team does not agree to play the game of log climbers then there’s no issue because the raid is not playing log climbers.
Sorry that I expect you to actually prove what you are claiming rather than just listen to “Believe me, bro.”
I am not unfamiliar with how the game works. I do not raid anymore, but I have in the past… even a stint as fairly hardcore. Never ever have I seen this in organized raiding guilds. Pugs? Sure. Friends and Family guilds? Probably. Guilds actually trying to progress? That people are arguing to have something removed that benefits their entire raid group is completely being my ability to comprehend.
edit: I am going to bow out now because we are never going to make any headway. I don’t think it should be removed (or changed) especially over people barking about meters, but if they do they do.
I have presented my arguments, that was my goal.
Others have seen that you’re not truthful and that’s a plus, so they won’t take you seriously.
I don’t need to prove that the spell is unfair.
Anyone with any logic can see that when you buff one class only above the others, you create an unfair playing field.
It’s the same reason players ask for top dps classes to be nerfed.
You kinda do when you want it to be changed on the grounds that it’s unfair.
If the logic is so easy to present to anyone with a brain, then why haven’t you done so yet?
Because:
I can’t make you be truthful and i don’t need to.
If you say so. I haven’t lied or misrepresented any of my points in this discussion. It’s all been in good faith. I’ve absolutely been tongue-in-cheek with you but I would be making the same points regardless. I’m sorry that you’re unable to comprehend anyone holding different priorities than you to the point that they must be conspiring against you. You won’t be winning any hearts and minds (which you will need to get started on if you actually want PI to be changed) if you can’t argue any of these points I’m bringing up on their merits.
So if you don’t think I’m worth engaging with then I guess we don’t need to continue this back and forth. It’s your loss really because at the end of the day, PI is still here. So I guess I’m not losing any sleep tonight.
Resyk, your claim that people only care about logs totally ignores all the normal and heroic raiders who don’t care about logs, don’t even know what they are, but still have fun competing with their own group on their local meter. Power Infusion blows that experience up for them too because the priest can literally pick the winner.
And this is a good example on why I hate it as a Gm/Raid leader please click the link and open it to look, its not mine someone else linked it but its this strong on fights that it gets this much attention. https://imgur.com/BMO4AWz.
I did say so.
You are pretending to not understand that the PI spell creates an unfair and uneven playing field when it boosts 1 class above the rest.