It isn’t. And what spec besides warlock gets such a massive boost(that is outside 30 pull packs in m+ that 99% of you don’t do)?
If there are 15 DPS and 3 of them are begging you for PI/complaining if someone else gets it, which side do you count that on? If the existence of PI is “causing” those 3 to beg, why are the other 12 immune?
I understand why even some priests would be bothered by those 3 people (and maybe not even notice the 12 who are not making a problem), but the problem is those 3 people, not the spell itself.
I don’t support removing PI because some people whine about it. It’s the RL’s job to crack down on people causing drama over PI, and if they think that the priest is using it badly in a way that holds back the group, to address that with the priest themselves. Leadership is hard and comes with great responsibility.
Remember when some paladins successfully got their own class nerfed because it could buff other people? That was an unfortunate episode which should not be repeated (and I wouldn’t mind a bit if it were unpruned in DF for that matter).
Possibly the best solution would be to move it to a genuinely optional place on the tree (it’s kind of hard to avoid on the preview tree, way too much stuff depends on it that doesn’t need to), and then if any RLs want to say “priests in this guild must spec into PI and use it as I direct to improve our progression as a group” it’s up to the priests in their guild whether they want to go along with that or /gquit.
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Yeah every class has been more and more homogenized making the game worse and worse. Yet you’re advocating to make it even worse 
Really? Cause I see way more people for keeping it.
Class identity is a huge pro for keeping it. Terrible people crying isn’t.
There is no drama where I am. Be a better person and chose to hold the friends you play with to a better standard.
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I would love to see more stuff like PI in the game personally.
Windfury totem is one of those kinds of things, but far less powerful. I remember when I raided back in the day, we would set up groups around however many Shaman we had.
All the log obsessed players are, and some without realizing it, the actual problem.
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I find it highly amusing that you claim to be drama free and a good person while simultaneously being condescending and rude. Kudos to you Mr. doublespeak.
The problem here is this spell is too strong, just like you said its not even comparable to windfury totem which hits your whole group, because this one button is that much stronger.
Power Infusion Magic 2 min cd.
Haste increased by 25%.
20 seconds remaining
We are pointing out a button that is causing problems, make it self cast only and the problems go away. Wow cooldowns are already strong, and piling on this button for a class that scales well with haste is just too insane. If you don’t raid and don’t understand I’ll be happy to hop in discord with you an explain it.
i have yet to see the “problems” it’s causing - so far it’s been social issues and people complaining about “drama”. that’s not any basis for removing or nerfing a spell if you ask me. what’s breaking with power infusion?
numbers or direct examples/evidence of how it’s overpowered would be nice honestly if anyone is able to do that??
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It helps your raid kill a boss faster.
The problem is YOU and other players who get upset when someone in their raid outperforms them with an external buff.
You also forgot to clip the part where I said we need more things like PI.
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You count that on both sides, and I would counter this with most of them don’t care one way or the other, but yeah I would say 12 of not being greedy and 3 being greedy. It’s never only 3, though. Realistically speaking, out of 12, at least 5 if not more would be whispering you to PI them, especially if you pugged into a normal where the only thing is either alts, or mains just getting up parses with logs or being bored.
They aren’t, they’d be counted. You just don’t have that low of people wanting PI since a lot of people use pugs to parse over their guild runs.
The problem is still the drama itself, that the spell causes.
I support it being removed because it’s needless friction. You ever talk about politics with people? Some can be fine talking bout it and accepting different peoples’ viewpoints, but a lot more often talking about it; be it with friends, family, random strangers, if you’re on opposing sides of each other, it more often turns bad than it stays civil and good.
This topic is quite much like politics, and this spell is much the same in that they make people angry/annoyed/upset.
I agree, but why even put that element in there when you can just totally void that entirely by making it a self only cast. Like it doesn’t have to be removed, just changing it to a self only cast/buff removes the contention with it and stops drama and it still stays in the game.
I definitely agree with you there, it’s a huge responsibility.
I don’t actually remember this, which are we talking about here?
But see, you can’t do that because of 1 reason: the fact it’s there means most raid leaders will force you to swap to it or remove you from the group. If you’re in a guild you will be asked to sit in favor of someone who does have it, or you will be getting everyone else upset/annoyed at you and told you’re being selfish or greedy by NOT taking that spell.
Again, it’s very existence on the tree alone is the problem. If it were made into a self cast, that’s fine, nobody cares then. They only care if it benefits people other than yourself.
I meannnn, if you had a staggering 90% of guild/raid leaders telling you you literally had to do this, over the whole game as a whole, how would you feel? Because any raid leader not telling you to take this literally is doing a disservice to their raid group, regardless of the content you’re doing.
Where do you see more people for keeping it? I seen way more for removing it or changing it, than keeping. I see a lot of the ones for keeping it reposting, which is fine, as I keep reposting, too, but go back and look through it all again. Go look at the priest talent preview page, itself, and see how many people say to keep it as is vs change or remove it. It’s not what you think.
Drama is drama, regardless of iconic or not.
“where I am” being keywords here. Pugs don’t care where you are. I’d also say more than 50% of Normal/Heroic guild groups don’t care where you are, either. A lot of people don’t either.
Keeping this spell as is is just a bad idea for the game overall.
Is there like, an actual poll thing we could do, with an actual voting option for “keeping as is” “removing from the game” “changing it to self only cd” as the 3 options, and we could actually look and see, then, or is there no option for that?
I’d really love for blizzard to just put up a poll on the game launcher that’s account bound. 1 vote per account, it forces you to see it and vote so we can see how many people actually would want it to stay as is vs being changed or removed.
That is fully a basis for removing or nerfing it.
No, he left that out because having more doesn’t make it better, it makes it stacking more of them on the same person and thus just increases the issue, again.
yeah not happening.
but at least we narrowed it down, nobody thinks it’s actually OP. just a feelings hurter i guess
I don’t think it is even fun to those who get it.
Before tier sets, demo was 100% balanced around being a spec who get fed several PIs in order to achieve competitive damage. It was stupid when you had priests and even stupider when you didn’t.
People who keep parroting that PI is not OP have no idea how DPS works in this game.
It’s more they like the aspect of it being a support option and they like it being different. I understand and get that. I don’t agree with it, I do get it, though.
I don’t see a way to do a poll on the forums, itself. I’m guessing in order to do a poll to see, I would have to first go set up a poll on a different website, then come over here, link it and see whether people actually vote on it. Is that correct? I assume only blizzard people, themselves, maybe community managers or something, are the only ones capable of putting up an actual poll on the forums here.
I have actually heard people say well that person only does good damage because they are getting fed PI. So yes I think it can even make the PI receiver feel bad.
Even if we had a poll asking if people want PI removed or not, most players are far too ignorant to even understand what kind of damage it causes to the game and its current meta.
They would only see it as an attempt to remove a “beloved and iconic spell”, since they have no idea how to toxic it is. People need first to be educated on the issue, and then asked what are their opinions.
then maybe you can be the first person in the thread to explain how it’s OP. go ahead 
I did.
Check the posts I’ve done earlier on this thread.
you haven’t listed any evidence showing it’s overpowered…but no worries.
i’m sure if it’s OP, someone will surely be able to explain 
(numbers, examples, etc.) - not just explaining how good the spell can be when you use it on a warlock with 4 piece tier (that would be intended). Overpowered means that it’s breaking the game - not hurting the worst dps player’s feelings.
illustrate as if you’re talking to someone that:
“doesn’t know how dps works”
(so please be specific, and use numbers if possible)
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That’s not on me to prove. You’re the one claiming that PI is causing “overwhelming higher” drama. When you make a statement like:
there should be a source for that information. If you want to provide your personal experience, that’s valid of you to do. Making the assumption that there are a higher number of these experiences doesn’t (and shouldn’t) support your argument until some data backs up that assumption.
Also, I rarely if ever get asked for a PI. Then again, I PUG with 1-2 friends, so I don’t know what it’s like in a full PUG group. Maybe you could make friends to PUG with and have a better experience too? 
Maybe make a priest friend and have them solely PI you in the partial PUG group. You’ll probably get invited sooner because of heals too.
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It would be homogenous to give other support classes a similar external buff, but I still think they should get them. Have one be a proc chance buff with RPPM, druid could get something that has synergy with theur mastery, where it’s effectiveness is based on how many HoTs are on the target. I also think all these buffs should apply a debuff so you can’t just stack all the buffs on one person. Spread the love, and all that.
A start would be re-adding some things that they took away.
sigh
Lets go yet again.
PI in its current form synergizes far too well the demonology’s kit to the point where back before tiers sets, the spec was only competitive in a raid environment if you had one (preferably 2 priests) due to how the Tyrant works.
This causes a pretty bad balancing issues because raid teams with access to both priests and demonology warlocks can pull considerably higher numbers than group without that specific comp. Besides, without priests, the overall power of demo locks falls drastically due to the lack of the extra haste buff.
You could say, “But Dripik, why not nerf/change/rework demo instead, since the spec is the broken one?”.
Fair, it could be possible but we know that Blizzard ain’t gonna do that, because that takes a lot more work than getting rid of niche support spell. Of course, once warlocks are no longer the best target for PI, it will just fall into the second best choice and the problem will continue forever.
The real problem lies on how PI is being treated as a crutch and how a certain class will be unable to perform accordingly once tiers are gone, like it happened through the entirety of Castle Nathria and Sanctum of Domination.
About the numbers… Well, I don’t think its so easy to gather this kind of data, considering how I have no idea how to acess to logs containing top performing demo locks in exact same situations, but with and without being fed PIs.
What I can tell you is that a warlock who get access to PIs deals considerably more damage than one that does not.