TIL that alot of people tanking M+ are doing a first pull test. Pulling a huge group that is survivable only if everyone correctly interrupts, stuns, has the dps and hps. If this pull is unsuccessful the tank, or dps, or healer bails as a time saving measure because this group is not going to time, or take nearly the whole time on the key. This is super efficient when gearing as fast a possible and individually is worth the time saved by scuffing multiple slow group keys. I don’t think blizz can stop this, but a solution might be a weekly scuffed key protection charges that allow you to maintain your key level if someone leaves in the first 5 min. What are your thoughts on the First Pull test to save time in pug groups?
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Dumbest thing I’ve heard yet.
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I do the opposite where I pull little and work my way up
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You shouldn’t join pugs if all your doing is metagamimg gear as fast as possible. Save that for people you know can handle it.
If you’re in a pug. And that pug can time a run. Even if imperfectly you owe it to put the effort in. A lot of people use pugs to practice. Don’t waste their time because you’re being greedy or feel superior.
All this said. Leaving before the time when you know they can’t time it isn’t really wrong. A lot of people are just jerks though. Don’t be a jerk to a pug. Unless maybe its your key.
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I like to keep a good cadence.
That sounds stupid. Like insanely stupid.
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That’s not a test. The tank is just being stupid.
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OMG, that is so interesting.
Yeah it sounds like an attempt at justifying purposefully/accidentally overpulling and bailing when things go wrong knowing its yours fault the group wiped and you dont wanna catch flak.
“Oh it was…a test! Yeah! Sorry about the key but you guys wouldn’t have been able to keep up with my pulls. Yeah. Totally.” /sweat
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I did a version of this earlier in TW 
Magister’s Terrace, we get to the first boss and these 2 pugs get locked out of the room due to being slow 
The 3 of us get down the boss, and then I immediately left - I have no tolerance for slow pugs/not knowing about boss “lockouts” in these 15+ year-old dungeons
breaking this post down to its simplest form:
should i do a huge pull that only 100% precision will succeed without coms or forewarning to see if people leave after we fail it?
Why don’t you just pull like normal and none of that even has to happen in the first place?
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Sounds more like a meta tank just trolling pug groups by forcing a wipe and then leaving.
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I think this is more about people not realizing that there are some dungeons with some larger than normal first pulls. Ones you often lust on first pull. They then give it a conspiracy theory reason as to why it was done.
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I think it’s more about trolling people and then creating a conspiracy theory to justify doing it.
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A new and exciting way to troll players.
I’m shocked, truly.
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I mean. Its possible.
But if I had to pick one option.
Either there is a new “fad” of pug testing first pulls…or the occasional person may not realize whats up.
I will go with the second.
I’ve not done a single dungeon, pug or organized, where you pull so big without warning the group at least ahead of time. If you pull big without a heads up and then you leave because it went belly up; thats on the tank.
Communicate if you’re gonna pull that big off the bat ffs.
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I mean. Ok.
Sorta nothing to do with anything I said, or OP said.
Communication or lack thereof wasnt mentioned at all. And yeah, of course it should be done.
I slowly ramp up my pulls until it feels like the group can hang. If I’m starting with a big hero pull, I announce before the key timer and verify with heals.
If I’m pugging a key I try not to leave unless deaths go over 45-50. I’m there for valor most of the time anyway. I also run content I know I can face roll, like 16s, for the foci.
Bailing like this sounds like a massive time sink. Like 5-10 min to fill a heal certain weeks and you ruin the key in the first pull when you could have just slowed a bit and timed in 2-3 min more. Actually now that I’m thinking about it, this sounds like bait or extremely stupid…
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Can’t imagine a world where the following thought process makes sense:
“I am going to try my best to force a wipe on the first pull of every group that I join, then leave and find another group, where I am then going to try my best to force a wipe on the first pull and then leave.”
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