Nah you get to go “Look how edgy I am. I am soo evil. No one has ever been as evil as me. I am soo much better than those good guys.”
That’s covered under being smug about our villainy.
I mean, it took a lot of plotholes to get that far, so it could have been worse.
Citation
Needed
Again, without the full context of the story we can’t have any idea why she’s doing what she’s doing. If she were given some vision of the Alliance slaughtering her people, and this was the only course she could take to ensure their survival, it’s a hella lot different then “She did it because she wanted to.” It’s already been stated that the Alliance is going to commit their share of atrocities, and if her actions prevent that, she could easily justify it to herself.
That was the whole point of the Warbringer cinematic, to give us insight on what drives these characters. Coincidentally Sylvanas’ Warbringers focused heavily on her failing to protect her people, and how it almost resulted in their complete annihilation. It was her reasoning when Summermoon tried to reason with her, and I imagine Sylvanas saw herself in the way Summermoon thought, and how that rational caused her to lose everything. The Blood Elf heritage quest even doubles down on this idea, focusing heavily on the sacrifices she made to save her people.
It’s extremely important which point of view she’s coming from, because context can make a situation look completely evil, or entirely necessary. When the US nuked Japan to stop the war, if you were to hear about that with no context it would just seem like the US are warmongers that nuked an innocent region to dust for no reason, but with context it’s a far more complicated situation that could’ve resulted in even countless deaths.
Maybe the story isn’t supposed to “end happily” for everyone? Are you always expecting cause you play horde you win 100% of the time the better endings? Get used to it. Alliance got shafted hard in 8.0, horde were the heroes of Uldir. Now it’s our time to be the heroes.
Literally Siege of Orgrimar.
"Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide.
Anduin had known she was selfish—arrogant, too. Cunning.
Driven. But he had never expected this. Through blurred vision, he saw Genn Greymane’s face as his wife clung to him, and he realized that not even Genn, who hated Sylvanas with his whole heart, could believe it. No one had thought she would put her cruelty before her cleverness. There was no strategic purpose, no possible reason to destroy the tree. Far from it—with this unfathomable decision, Sylvanas had united the Alliance in a way nothing else could.
None of that mattered now. There had been chances to stop her. Chances to attack before she had. Anduin had chosen to reject those opportunities. Now, numberless voices would haunt his dreams until he achieved one thing: stopping Sylvanas.
Permanently."
-Elegy, by Christie Golden
We spent a long while on this spread out, time-gated war campaign as Horde to:
Steal the abyssal scepter
Find and raise some dead folks
Immediately sacrifice one of the dead folks
Recruit Ashvane(???)
Only to find out:
Alliance planted bombs on our fleet
They stole the abyssal scepter back
We were completely bamboozled into Nazmir
They proceed to completely destroy the Zandalari fleet
They sack our city and murder the Zandalari king
Yeah. 8.1 feels awesome thus far. Definitely keeping me sub’d with this story.
That doesn’t say anything about the majority of night elves being dead and it’s from the PoV of Sylvanas’s arch nemisis.
To be fair, the bombs on your fleet have been there since pretty much the start of the campaign. Did you guys just not run an inspection at all in the last five months?
The literal canon line “Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide.” is not enough for you to admit it was genocide. What else do you defend in the real world, I wonder.
feel no compelling reason to do this raid at all… I don’t want to go in a raid and feel defeated
Not only did they kill your leader and wipe out your navy, but they made the boss fights easier for us. Neener neener.
If a section of a book was written from Sylvanas’s point of view would you take it as an objective overview of Anduin’s actions?
Horde need to take more beatings and love it, otherwise Alliance will scream “Horde Bias!”.
So Dear Horde, GET ON YOUR KNEES AND BOW TO YOUR HEADMISTRESS DREADMOON!!! ![]()

As someone who played Horde for most of their time in WoW, maybe if the Horde would stop getting whipped into a genocidal frenzy every pretty speech someone gives them they would have less of their people killed and less cities raided.
Tirisfal Glades
From the same book:
”Then, little one, I shall name you Finel. ‘The last.’ For you are the last Kaldorei to escape with your life." The World Tree was more than a city. It was an entire land, home to countless innocents. How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few. Now, they were all who remained of their people.
But the book has to be able to draw readers in and give them a reason to not put it down in disgust or defeat. If I have to get to the last chapter to enjoy/feel good about the story, then I’ll have felt like I wasted my time. Same with waiting until the last 15 minutes of a disappointing movie to hopefully have a reason to care.
It’s fine holding something off for a while, but there needs to be stronger evidence of something going on. Up until this point, there has been no foreshadowing other than the writers claiming moral greyness and instances of Arthas comparisons. There has been barely anything to show anything other than the Horde is being unnecessarily cruel (the Alliance town in Stormsong comes to mind) and the Alliance as purely good. It’s fine to claim that there’s more to the story, but a writer has to give at least some indication that something will come of this. As of right now, it’s as black and white as a story can be, and that’s my biggest issue.
And honestly, I don’t know if I like the “premonition path”. Sylvanas has never been shown before to give stock to what could be. She, like most Undead, live in the now. Her motivations prior were for her people, but that’s changed since she slaughtered her own kind even as they ran back to her at the meeting with humans. She also broke the Forsaken creed in wanting to twist Derek into a mindless assassin. The poor writing is already there, and I don’t know if any revelation of a foreseen even only privy to Sylvanas will change this fact.
We’ve never raided an Alliance city…