I never felt insulted by that I thought it was stupid, but I saw it for what it was. An attempt at humor, bad stupid humor but humor nonetheless. While it was ill conceived/poor/ect, people took it too personally.
So please speak for yourself.
I get that you never felt insulted (neither did I take offense to it as its unneeded stress for me personally, but I know it’s offensive), but:
speak to or treat with disrespect or scornful abuse.
It’s an insult, you may not have accepted, but it is an insult.
Look, it’s all insulting. Every bit. I don’t know what else to say, but Alliance doesn’t exist in real life, humans do.
Only if you let it be one, they never intended to insult the playerbase with it, it was meant to be humor. Some found it funny others didn’t. I put the corpse thing in the same category as music that contains similar trash. Easily ignored and forgetten, well forgotten until someone on these forums begins talking about it.
I share the same sentiment as you and only wish to spread that.
No, they may personally prefer the Horde as a matter of fun, but the storylines do everything BUT favor us.
We’re basically here to be groveling, untrustworthy monsters to motivate the hero faction. All we do is fail and fail, get picked up and dusted off by the “good guys” and then turn around and betray them.
Meanwhile, the actual in-game content revolves around us being outcasts banding together against the world, trying to survive with the remnants of our races. Few against a hostile world, our leaders loving each other as brothers, saving one anothers’ lives.
And meanwhile in the main stories we just follow psychopaths around until something bigger to kill comes along.
It’s really pitiful that people think it’s “favoritism” to be the game’s punching bag to make the other side look shinier.
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In 2008, my god you people.
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So… Where did it change exactly? Since it was so long ago, please enlighten everyone as to where they diverted from that path. As others have pointed out, they didn’t even apologize to the players that were the target.
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I think it’s safe to say that majority of devs play and prefer horde, however, I think they do their best to design the game fairly. It would not be in their best interests otherwise.
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I have only played Alliance exclusively till last week.
Now I’m Horde. Do I feel the game has been aligned to feel better as Horde? No.
However there is a comment I have to make… I do feel Horde races have been fleshed out more, but this may be because of the big personality differences between the leaders.
Really liking it.
Despite the fact they’ve apologized not only for that, but by their own admission for not finishing the Alliance levelling content in Cata in favor of the Goblins. The repeated Blizzcon jokes, ETC who is a dev band made up of all Horde that plays regularly plays at Darkmoon, the Alliances excuses for Allied races. Alliances position as a supporting actor in the Hordes story. The Alliance could be removed and the story of the expansions could be virtually be unchanged. Unless you like robot cat quests.
It’s all a pattern of behavior. They don’t give a crap about Alliance, and if you are paying Blizzard for Alliance, you are getting 20% of the effort, the story, the interest that the Horde gets. Despite the Horde players complaining they get a crap story, they get a story.
Yes we all know Blizzard are terrible writers. Make an expansion where Anduin goes evil and opens the Dark Portal and we have to play the Warlords of Lordaeron expansion. Have us go kill old Uther and Arthas and Jaina, maybe we’ll get to see what the Alliance is like finally.
You think Alliance wouldn’t be thrilled about an entire expansion just about the history of Lordaeron?
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Which would be fine if they were new horses not reused assets from older mounts.
Not on it’s own.
Yes I have, I have horde toons. Their capital had nothing to do with them getting a free port when they alliance doesn’t.
Did you see it?
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Unconscious bias is not something you’re aware of.
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look at the racials and the diffrence of the time spent for 100 guilds finish mythical raid and tell me if is it real or not
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That’s very true with some things, but when you are making a concerted effort not to be biased, and reviewing your efforts with others extensively and regularly, I think any serious slips are unlikely to make it thru.
I may be wrong though and am open to the possibility.
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I don’t really know if there is a bias, but if there is, the Horde is still suffering.
If Alliance players would have rather had the Horde story and something akin to Zandalar, then take all of it.
The story in Zandalar is just boring, and the terrain is one of the most frustrating things ever. The whole rehash of the Mists of Pandaria story is nauseating. It’s annoying watching all of the Horde leaders be complete and utter morons in their political disputes. I mean, Sylvanas has done rather questionable things in the past, so I do not understand why committing an act of war on the opposing faction was what made the Horde be like, “Oh, that’s it! She’s evil now!” Plus, two expansions filled with Nathanos and Sylvanas acting like adolescent edge-lords who just discovered Hot Topic is giving me a headache. Saurfang, too, has had such godawful character development in this expansion that I could care a less that he died. And what was the point in the Reckoning cinematic of assembling that whole army if Saurfang was going to 1v1 Sylvanas and get absolutely destroyed?
If the Alliance had a political dispute or a civil war, I would be entirely cool with that, considering it would be nice for the Alliance not to be forever painted as the “good guys.” Truth be told, I miss the old story lines where neither side was necessarily good, but they were plotted against each other due to circumstance and personal vendettas. As I said before, I would be fine with the idea of an Alliance civil war, but I just think they should have done it this expansion rather than one in the future. I think we are all now getting burnt the civil war narrative.
Moving on, if we are talking about content, then one of the biggest bummers for Horde players was the Nightborne models. The custom skeletal animations are nice, but the actual texturing is more than rushed. The hair looks like plastic, and the faces… I do not feel like I even need to explain that.
These are just my two cents, though.
If you you remove the alliance from the game, you still have a story. If you remove the horde, you no longer have a story. That is horde bias.
The alliance has always been the passive, while the horde has always been the active. Therefore the horde drives the story. Even if it is a bad story. The alliance only reacts to the story beats created by the horde.
That’s what I liked best about Legion. For the first time the alliance was creating the story beats. Even if the story is poor next expansion, at least with Tyrande it won’t be another entire expansion of horde does this, so the alliance has to do that.
Second, it is a giant orc statue outside Blizz HQ. I would have thought they’d have put an Anduin Lothar statue out there. But there sets the orc.
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I don’t think it is a bias, I just think they don’t really pay much attention to the Alliance side any more.
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It’s simple.
When it comes to gameplay, Horde gets the love. They get ARs they wanted, with extra options, etc…
When it comes to story, Horde is the Devs’ whipping boy. The Horde gets beaten mercilessly every time.
Currently, BFA story is more Horde focused.
Legion, was class focused, but it leaned in much more to the Alliance’s story.
Classic was built for Alliance, with Horde as an after-thought.
I don’t think there’s bias from Blizz per se, but there is certainly a whole lot of players that want what the other faction has, but refuses to do it.
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I think it comes down to ones perspective. Growing up I knew mom and dad like my sister best. Years and years down the road talking to my sister she said, “well mom and dad always favored you.” I laughed… That was funny and of course matter of perspective. Now I know parents love their children equally, it’s just sometimes they might let you down here and there.
With that out of the way I used to lean Horde, but man I have a hard time logging on to those characters lately. Their story is up and down, up and down round and around and around again. Blizzard wants you to think one thing and then does a 180 and then back again. It’s just… I don’t know too forced?
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