This. I can get behind this.
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If they didn’t want to give you Ogres, you’d know, because you’d be getting Void Kul Tirans.
Horde definitely has more spotlight in the cinematics and story… Alliance seems more like a reactionary faction. I think playing both is fine, and I do. Both have interesting stories if you pay attention to quests, they could definitely do better making Alliance feel more part in the big story though, rather than reactionary, and giving them more voice over in quests and cinematics.
I also feel like they need to touch up the alliance races… Kul Tirans were a bit of a joke, they had a real good chance to make more interesting humans, maybe more like how Jaina looks, instead they got people who eat way too much cake.
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Maybe youre on to something
We need Void Ogres. My god that would be a great compromise.
You’d have to be delusional or just straight up ignoring the evidence to say there is no horde bias. and i get it. the horde is a cool faction. but it’s not healthy for the game to have a massive faction imbalance because blizzard gives all the good stuff to one side.
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Not at all? Wow, talk about dragging out the most extreme of false equivalence ever.
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The thing is, I play mostly Horde, I don’t really see the bias. I see a lot of things that both sides have better then the other.
Silverpine Forrest, and the Hillsbrad Foothills are just amazing quest areas early on, but Westfall is really good, and Darkshore is nice. The other good areas are all neutral so either side can quest there. Most of it all stays pretty neutral right up until WOD.
In WOD Alliance got the better lands the better (nicer looking) Garrison and a more easier to navigate starting area. Horde got rocks, cliffs, ravines, and a lot of boring snow, not to mention more sticks/dirt/mud to live in.
Legion, both sides lost leaders, and most of it was neutral, the quest givers were primarily Alliance, and for the people that play mostly Horde you suddenly have to follow around a bunch of Alliance leaders and do what they say for most of the expansion. (Nightborn and High Mountain later join sides, but are neutral for the story.)
BFA Alliance got horses, (I like horses, but that is a negative I am told) Alliance also got better lands, better storylines, and removed the Warchief. Horde got Stranglethorn Vale + Un’goro Crater, and whole lot of go fetch quests with very little story. Alliance got a city that looks straight out of medieval times, and Horde gets a pyramid, the pyramid is okay, but it’s not great.
Horde got Vulpera, those are cute, better then more Gnomes, but Horde got more Trolls and Alliance got a whole new Human Race.
I honestly see it as pretty equal with Alliance having a slight win.
Just my opinion though, you all have your own thoughts on this.
It’s very much intentional. Remember, this is fiction, not history.
The whole Alliance as “Captain America on steroids” came down in MoP. Go back to Vanilla, and look at some of the quests and NPC comments on Alliance. Very different back then.
The writers – and I’m laying blame on Metzen for this, too, since he came out and said “Alliance is lawful good, Horde is chaotic neutral, that’s more interesting to write” – CHOSE to make the Alliance Captain America on steroids. They CHOOSE to ignore anything that could shake that up.
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Horde has been losing warchiefs and heroes every expansion.
Alliance lost Bolvar and its king. (and both as sacrificing themselves for the greater good and not becoming a loot pinata)
if you call that Horde Biased, then it is horde biased.
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I think its more that its met with outrage.
Go to any thread discussing the Blood elfs origin and see how people react to Garithos. They completely reject him because they dont want to be associated with the idea that humans and/or the alliance could possibly be associated with crimes or crude behavior
To want creative writing you have to be willing to step away from the comfort zone. And honestly that doesnt mean blizzard will do it well. our faction and its structure has been butchered over and over. Yes it puts us in the spotlight, but at a cost i never wanted to pay. Id rather be the sidekick for a few expansions and let the alliance take the “psychos we have to address at the end of the expansion” reigns for a bit
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With the devs mocking the Alliance on stage.
And when Alliance players complained, at least one CM said they were “being silly and overreacting.”
That CM went suddenly quiet for a while after Morhaine posted his sticked apology to Alliance players.
Let’s not forget Blizzcon attendees being physically attacked for wearing Alliance t-shirts/gear.
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It really wasn’t that bad. 
I agree that the alliance was being silly and overreacting.
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This expansion sure, last expansion was alliance driven and horde was sidelined. The few (but loud) alliance players who feel Legion wasn’t an alliance expansion do so as it wasn’t THEM doing all the things. Illidan, Naaru, Dranei, ghosts of long dead night elves, etc aren’t THEM, therefore they don’t count as Alliance. This expansion a story that advances Jaina or Tyrande barely counts as alliance due to it still not being about THEM and not the story they wanted. Wins their faction got against the horde don’t count as wins as THEY didn’t get the decisive killing blow and nor were the horde crushed to oblivion. Some people just really need to be playing a single player game that gives them total victory with all the congratulatory parades that go along with it.
For Alliance to get the same complexity in a story that horde gets means they have to be willing to see characters retconned, go bad and/or die, willing to accept more Garithos’. The squealing from Alliance over killing some rando scavengers they’d had 5 minutes interaction with is indicative of how that’s going to go. Alliance players want to get interesting stories while still being holier than thou… it just doesn’t work that way. For the good to rise up and fight there has to be something to fight against. You don’t get Game of Thrones where everyone is a jolly decent bloke. Be careful what you wish for, it hasn’t been nearly as much of a fun ride for the horde as many of the vocal alliance seem to think it was.
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First, let’s get rid of the notion that there’s a difference between Alliance and Horde players. We’ve had faction transfers for years, and people have been flooding back and forth between the factions based on racials for nearly a decade now. The most frothing, rabid Horde cheerleader was probably playing a human in WoD for the racial.
I will say, objectively, that in the last several years I’ve seen an increasing bias towards Horde in terms of story, but it’s not towards the Horde that players consider indicative of the faction. The writers seem to have a real attachment to the idea of the ‘metal’ Horde. They want a Horde that runs roughshod over the Alliance, blood and thunder conquest, etc, no matter how counter intuitive it is to the story and the past development and history of the faction. They seem to have a disdain for ‘peaceful’ races, or at least no passion for them, and consistently write the Horde, particularly Orcs and Undead, as doing pretty messed up and downright villainous things for the sake of this flawed Conan the Barbarian attempt. Look at WoD, for an example outside the factions. The Warlords are hyped up with videos, with special introductions, despite the fact that they’re essentially monsters helping to murder hundreds. And at the end, we get Grom going ‘Draenor is free!’ and one xpac later, he and the rest of the Iron Horde are framed as the poor outgunned freedom fighters.
This is a consistent thing I’ve seen in the narrative since Cata. The Horde will be increasingly warmongering and do terrible things, often unprovoked, and then backpeddle once the writers realize that the Horde is supposed to be a heroic faction. See the entirety of BfA for an example here, via the War of Thorns and the Burning, wherein we see the entirety of the Horde attack the night elves, wiping out towns as they advance, planned by Saurfang. They’re there, explicitly, to take the lands from the night elves, whom they had a treaty with at the end of MoP. The Burning happens, and suddenly Saurfang is… a protagonist. The writers got they big metal moment, and then immediately tried to band-aid it. Of course, we also see bias towards humans as well. In the end, whittled down, it’s really an Orc and Human bias.
In terms of gameplay stuff that’s an entirely different can of worms, and I admit it’s a bit suspicious at times. But for me, the story aspects are what jump out the most.
TL;DR: Yes, there is Horde bias in the story, but it’s not exactly to their benefit.
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After reading forums for a long while. They making fun of you. Might be because alliance players whine a lot. It might be their way to get more post on various sights. So weird. It actually makes sense. People like the underdog. Posting it might attract new customers.
If you don’t think there’s Horde bias, I have just one question.
What is the Alliance’s story?
Think about it. The entire game and universe is the story of the Horde. Everything in this game happens because the Horde or a Horde leader does something.
There is no corresponding Alliance story.
There has never been a single Alliance leader that got up in the morning and said, “you know, we’re going to take over the world for good today,” or told an advisor, "hey, figure out how we can take back Lordaeron and let’s surprise the Horde, or even, “you know, we should go explore the other side of Azeroth.”
Never happened. Instead, every expansion it’s always “oh darn, we lost another city to some Horde-associated baddie, we better fight them or maybe help them, and later we’ll join with them.”
The bias is so out in the open, so throughly baked into the cake, that most don’t notice it when they take a slice every single expansion.
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Stop asking for horde races if you want someyhing different?
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Take our word for it, you really don’t want them to focus on you.
They’ll rehash your good stories but worse while unceremoniously killing off all your heroes. Tyrande will trip over a ladybug and fall off a cliff, Anduin will get one shot by Malfurion sneezing, it’s not a good time.
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Explain legion or Wod or Cata or BC or Vanilla. All this expansions did not involve burning anything. The core problem is that alliances pushed for being the good guys. A story usually need a bad guy to have good guy win. Most story use bad guy to build up to good guy comes in. Which really sucks for alliance. Is the basic storyline. It why horde get more story line at first and as progress the hero gets more. In BFA it started in patch 8.1 and goes from their.
They actually did a rather good guy story in legion. It showed how well alliance was doing. It had lots of quality parts. Mop had its moments also. It also had alliance doing questionable things. Forums was on fire about. Hence why always written as a good guy. The protagonist’s character flaw or great mistake which is their undoing. Their unfortunate end evokes pity at their folly and is a fundamentally good character to forgive.
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Still haven’t answered my question.
Show me something that makes her racist. But you won’t because you got nothing other than your feelings.