As the topic says. There is work to be done on BM and the nearest fix is november? Could we get some of those people back to at least do a real patch to hunters and fix pack leader and the aoe scaling issues… Maybe fix basilisk?
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11.0.5 says hello
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The fact we didn’t see tuning today is bonkers. Two weeks of M+. Most specs are fairly well balanced. Not perfect, but the graph is fairly linear. The exception being BM Hunter, with a significant gap at the bottom of the list.
At the very least, the 11.0.5 BM tuning needs to come sooner. The other changes can certainly wait. The first half of the season is the most important.
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Huh ?
Why is that ? Considering that your getting things based on your end of season IO it’s prob a bit more important
And what determines the community perceptions and one’s IO going into that latter half of the season?
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The people are are complaining about BM and cant wait wouldnt be pushing for titles anyways
The turbonerf should have never happened before launch. When I was in the can too, I caught wind of the people on the wrong side of the issue doubling and tripling down.
The closer we get to the holidays, it won’t matter. There won’t be much of a season left, IRL busy bees and all. Instead, hope that it would come back strong for 2025.
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Its so bad, I’ve been playing survival and getting around 1 million dps overall on +7 and 8 keys. I thought I would try BM tonight and did 750k on a +7 key. BM is about 250k low for AoE.
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End of season rewards are only part of the equation.
- Most of the gearing happens in the first half of the season.
- MDI starts Oct 16th, while 11.0.5 is the following month.
- M+ dies off in the second half of the season, as players reach their goals and run fewer dungeons.
- Many players that would prefer to play BM will likely be playing more effective classes by then.
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How does MDI affect anything? BM isnt going to be meta or even used.
Ehh maybe for people that get hardcapped. Anyone pushing title will be playing all season
TBH anyone thats hardlocked on staying BM is going to not be pushing title anyways.
Kind of the point. Not sure what you intended with that comment. lol
People that want to play BM will have fewer opportunities to find groups. Pushing titles is beside the point.
Who said anything about “hardlocked”. I literally said “prefer”. I’m playing Shaman in M+, but I would PREFER to play BM. Current tuning affects that.
You really are just living in your own little world, aren’t you? You’ll nitpick anything to argue with people. Seek help.
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It wasnt going to be meta with or without the changes so MDI starting doesnt really have any bearing imo.
I understand that. Not every class is goign to have all 3 specs viable in all content. The fixes are in but they arent going to happen right now.
You can prefer to play anything.
I too would prefer to play BM in keys. However I know its not tuned very well right now so I am playing MM/SV depending on group needs.
Its called reality.
I havent nitpicked anything. I was trying to actually have a discussion. If you cant handle your points being addressed from a different POV seek help
One you’re agreeing upon, just with the apparent conclusion that “If it isn’t good enough now, it’ll never be, so it isn’t worth asking for any further changes/balance improvements.”
It’s a reality in which certain specs are not competitive in certain environments.
The reality of past patches has shown us that the portion of specs that would be competitive for each environment is pretty damn dependent on the effort put into balancing them — i.e., very much possible to change.
So, would it be better for the game or not to have made visible efforts towards making a larger portion of specs viable for, say, M+ — especially, before the start of MDI?
I’ve geared up plenty of characters in 2nd half of the season, and it’s actually even better since more gear gets traded to me.
Those aren’t the ppl pushing scores anyway ?
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No, I am saying that bringing up MDI has zero relevance because even if BM aoe is strong it still wouldnt be meta for MDI.
Thats the point im making.
See affliction lock in the last three expansions besides TWW
Just to note – these are pretty much identical numbers to what I’m seeing. I put up just over 1mil overall in most dungeons as Surv, and I tried BM with guildies the other night and we all guessed Price-Is-Right style on my overall at the end. Our healer won at 750k, heh.
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In the end, none of these arguments matter. We all pay for the same game. Whether you’re top 1% or bottom 1%, you should have a fair chance. When the game is significantly out of balance, it needs to be addressed quickly - not in two months.
BM Hunter balancing right now, in my experience…
Raids:
Very strong on pure single target. Probably too strong. AoE is atrociously bad. Look at Sikran vs Broodtwister logs. BM at the top on Sikran by a margin, and bottom on Broodtwister by a larger margin.
M+:
Lowest in rankings by a significant margin. Every other spec is listed linearly, indicating overall balancing is decent, with BM as the sole outlier.
PvP:
After recent PvP buffs, BM is overpoweringly strong against unskilled players who don’t cleanse DoTs or use their cooldowns effectively. Against skilled opponents, BM is still weak - albeit better than it was before the buffs.
The spec itself isn’t balanced, let alone balanced with other specs. Leaving it this way until 11.0.5 is a bad decision.
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Didn’t it 3-1 liquid this weekend ?
Overall BM is great in Raid and PvP.
It does struggle in M+ and does need buffs. If we can get those buffs a bit sooner it would be great. However, BM still isn’t healer/tank tier lvl of dps, and capable of doing content, albeit it does require effort.
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I’m honestly surprised they don’t at least put in the multi-shot damage increase now. I mean that makes it at least reasonable to consider in large groups over cobra shot. it doing 8k-ish damage is a joke considering how much cobra can do. Makes it totally a dogs* ability. So buffing it 3 to 4 hundred percent is an absolute necessity anyway.
Other short term considerations would be to again increase bestial cleave, probably need to be tuned up to 100% instead of 90%.
Beyond those 2, not really much they can look at that is purely aoe for BM, e.g. even thunderstomp they’d have to be careful since it hits even in single target. But that could be another consideration for maybe a smaller buff.
I will admit I’m kind of sad that BM has really no interesting “hero” talent, even dark ranger’s black arrow is nothing new and doesn’t even look different/cool, seems like a lazy cop-out. Demonology with that cool looking demon poking out through the portal is awesome and the frost DK’s huge scythe… I feel like they completely forgot about BM until the end 
I think a cool hero talent for BM would be to replace bestial wrath with maybe a bestial howl, and have it have a really cool kind of roar effect and it would make it do bestial wrath damage to all surrounding targets and maybe the hero talent itself even increases that. I always felt like bestial wrath should feel cooler when activated.
And maybe one of the final tier talents makes you turn into a beast yourself, like a Saberon form while bestial wrath is active.