I really hope people are rolling priests for more dispelling on the streamer. 100% well deserved.
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The part everyone needs to read:
World of Warcraft Classic
If you do not wish to engage in regular PvP combat in WoW Classic, you must create your character on a Player versus Environment (PvE) realm. On a PvE realm, you can freely choose when you want to engage in open world PvP combat by enabling or disabling your PvP flag.
If you chose to create your character on a PvP realm, Game Masters will not address situations where you are repeatedly killed by the opposite faction. This includes situations that may be considered dishonorable such as corpse camping or killing players well below your level.
You cannot transfer from a PvE realm to a PvP realm. Transfers from PvP to PvE are permitted. Game Masters do not provide realm transfers.
Bold for emphasis on what this is.
It wasnât on stream though. The stream was explicitly on his mage alt to hide from people trying to snipe him. It sounds like the dispeller is just a guy who does it to everyone. Scummy? Sure. But that is why people sign up to PvP serversâŚto be scum to each other, that is the whole point.
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If were speculating, Iâm sure he has likely done this before, with how easy it was for him.
But I still proably would contend that itâs ok for GMs to watch a stream, see someone obviously breaking the rules, and then proceed to investigate that said person and ban them.
It doesnât seem like thatâs what has happened here though, as no rules were visibly broken on the stream. I would just hope that the GM actually looked into the priest and maybe found something else banworthy, but Iâm starting to have my doubts.
All the babies should have rolled on PvE servers, the streamer should ask the GM for a teddy bear and blanky next.
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I am 100% confident you are splitting hairs, the GM has access to the combat logs and the names of the people involved, their attention was brought to the situation during the stream, then checked the logs.
If you thing that video evidence needs to exist, then IDK what to tell you. The evidence exists.
I donât think blizz planned for a whole dispeling meta to happen
Yes, i was speculating. But you can see how an appearance if impropriety can be extremely damaging. This is why every ethics standards in the world state that you canât do anything shady and you cant do anything that even LOOKS shady.
This looks shady as hell.
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GMs have all sorts of in-game powers.
Your telling me the GM couldnât just give the streamer his buffs using his GM powers?
The GMs first action is to straight up ban somebody in a retaliatory nature for 6 months?
Did he talk to the other player first? Like âHey, Iâm a GM donât do thatâ ,?
(That would still create problems; it would have hit Reddit and the WoW forums and people would be asking many of the same questions).
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I fail to see how that is relevant. They said if you donât like engaging in these sort of activities then feel free to play on a PvE server.
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You donât need world buffs, on a pvp server you can be corpse camped for an hour and it wouldnât be considered griefing jfc. This world buff meta is so stupid you forget the actual point of pvp servers. If you want to get to raid with all your buffs every time you could have gone to a pve server.
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You could probably make a case for getting him banned ingame based on Blizzardâs ToS
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- Harassment, âgriefing,â abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzardâs Code of Conduct or In-Game Policies.
as the Streamer admitted on reddit to the following:
"I feel horrible that I may have negatively impacted the GM. Iâm sorry you got banned, the GMs weâre banning very quickly given everything that was going on.
I was telling my group that I had to pause my run to get a song flower buff and take the summon so I was voicing my actions over twitch. I waited to take the actual summon, but I guess not long enough.
It doesnât matter though. Ultimately this is on me and I feel terrible about it. I should have just stayed calm and not let it get blown out or proportion.""
This was his last post before deleting his acc. That was once he realized that the community was also against him. He admits that it was on him, which could be considered abusive behaviour towards the priest player (another player) that resulted in said player losing his ability to play the game.
Im not saying the streamer should get a wow ban, since its ultimately the GM that is at fault, but just saying⌠Blizzardâs ToS are so volatile you probably could ban him. Hell they banned a guy for saying âfree hong kongâ.
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Streamers are free advertisements.
Though Iâve heard other people having this issue yet that dispeller is still at large.
Sounds like Blizzard doesnât like you messing with their ads.
GMs have all sorts of powers, like checking logs and checking previous reports on the player. How do you know this isnât the guy 100th report on the same issue? The GM was alerted to a problem and took action based on the evidence.
I dont like that it took a streamer to get action, but we are here now.
GM are not all powerful. They can do things but you dont give every rank and file Gm the ability to just hand out things. Usually thats reserved for people that have worked there way up. Which this person may clearly not be able to do now that they have taken this action.
For most front line GM they have the simple actions of removing people from the game that will be reviewed by a higher tier GM.
Depends on the history of the account for harassment and the fact its a pvp server. Overall i do not think the prospects for this GM are good at his continued employment. Abusing power gets you a swift kick out the door. Most of the time it was even asked, atleast, when i was GM back in the day on a different game that we dont tell people what we are and that we MUST not take tickets from people we know.
No matter how much we hate a lot of these streamers as people, weâre not allowed to specifically target them for this stuff.
If PvP happens, itâs fine. When you hunt down one specific player with the intention of only disrupting their gameplay, not fine. Itâs the difference between are you PvPing to PvP, or are you PvPing to make this guy log off?
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Multiple points here.
The streamer was not actively streaming his main when he got dispelled. So it would be impossible for him to be specifically targeting the streamer.
Second. The priest in question was very well known on his server for dispelling everyone.
Third. Its just a a dispel. The streamer lost TWO buffs. That is it.
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Targetting specific players is 100% allowed on pvp servers including to the point of forcing them to log off. If a streamer is stupid enough to broadcast his location real time on his stream they have no right to whine about being ganked.
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Youâre wrong, streamers have no special privaleges.
Thatâs part of the player interaction involved with pvp servers. You are allowed to have a grudge against someone and corpse camp/dispell them if you want. It seems like many people do not understand the concept of a pvp server.
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Thatâs a separate issue, and one that can be dealt with in a number of ways:
1.) You tell players nothing is going to change. World buffs are a thingâŚdispelling on PVP servers is a thing. GMs arenât going to get involved at all with world buff issues. The end.
2.). You tell people that world buffs have created what Blizzard perceives to be as a toxic social environment. Itâs a meta of gameplay they didnât anticipate, nor did they anticipate other gameplay (targeted dispeling) as as a method of aggrevating others players. They could implement changes like:
A.) They make world buffs non dispelable but they are wiped upon death.
Or
B.) They remove world buffs from raid content negating the issue why people desire them so much and why other players actively hunt to dispel people.
No matter what you do thoughâŚyou keep it consistent between servers and players. You roll it out in a uniform fashion.
What weâre seeing here is none of thoseâŚand therein is a significant problem.
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