Oh well, i haven’t even opened retail since i started classic …
In retail although there are many things to do … i don’t feel the drive … classic as broken as it is … is more fun for me …
I don’t know how much is classic or not. I never pushed much beyond a 10 in season 2, but playing the same instances week after week for almost a year wears a bit thin. For me anyway, the affix thing is gimmicky at best. Fun at first, but ultimately meh. Having to grind out essences on alts doesn’t help me feeling like I want to push lower keys on on other classes either, which is what I might do if I needed a change. 20-30 minutes to find a run doesn’t help.
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You got me. I stop reading soon as people start barfing out their personal anecdotes.
I mean you could actually read my post. The title is satirical. I clearly stated
I don’t want classic to die at all, no where did I say that. I’m just seeing a lot less activity in retail during peak times and wanted to see if other’s were too and if they thought it was related to classics release.
Also, It’s pretty silly to think that releaseing classic has only positive affects on retail.
Sure it’s brining some people back into retail and it’s increasing sales but from my tiny little world i’m seeing retail more barren than ever. Lot’s of mythic guilds have actually broken up or taking breaks to play classic. So yes, classic is a positive thing, especially for blizzards bottom line, but it CAN have adverse affects on retail.
This is what’s killing me. It’s taking so long to fill lately.
Considering we have no solid evidence (i.e. statistics from a reliable and verifiable source) of anything relating to the popularity of either game relative to one another or their competitors everything we can provide is backed up by nothing more than anecdotal evidence or personal bias/opinion.
Sorry that you don’t seem to be able to understand that. 
You know what statistics are?
A bunch of personal anecdotes gathered together 
Oh no…I understand. And there are some more reliable sources of data than your anecdotes.
Retail is struggling and it’s not the baddie/casuals causing the population drain
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I know this is just me, but I haven’t really gotten on retail at all since Classic came out. I still post on this character but I just like Classic more at the moment.
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We should be grateful that WoW is back in top 10 pc…but in retail sever, its hurt badly. As I stated lot guilds are stuck on mythic Ashvane because all good players left for WoW classic and guilds are struggling fill empty raid slots. The hp nerf did kinda help but it is not enough for everyone to come back to raid. It feels unfair that I can’t finish progression for mythic EP and I think mostly everyone agrees with me on this. I wonder what dev can do about it just keep BFA until the next expansion.
By all means, provide to me the sub numbers for both games and the active player counts for each. I’ll wait.
I’m not saying that retail doesn’t have its issues–because it absolutely does. What I am saying is that we have no verifiable proof of any statements we make regarding the topic.
I would like to point out one final time that I never said my anecdote was representative of the game as a whole, by the way. That would be an idiotic belief for me to carry, thusly the statement at the bottom of my initial post. lol
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So again …went no further than this due to drivel. We both know actual subs is not available. But website tracking is
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My guild is only about 5-6 active people at the moment (a lot quit season 1 BFA). So when we raid, we start a group and pug all the other spots.
Before classic, we would put up the raid into LFG and would be flooded with applicants. The week classic launched (and since then), often times we are sitting there for an hour until we get 9-10 more people at appropriate ilvl (we get a lot of people with less than 400 ilvl applying most nights, heh).
I understand a lot of people have AoTC so aren’t going anymore, but the huge drop off in applicants happened after classic released.
Probably a combination of the two.
So just to be clear, you are fine with any anecdotes that trash WoW, but oppose those that don’t?
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Obviously… are you trolling or just dense?
Either way, you’ve added nothing to this conversation at all. The fact that I added the caveat at the end of my statement made it clear that I was perfectly aware of the fact that it was merely anecdotal evidence. Jesus. lol
Neither did you.
I believe it. We don’t pug raids so I can’t say at all how the experience is there.
Classic really slowed things down for a few weeks after launch but lately I haven’t had trouble finding people to fill spots in M+ groups again.
I dont think it will last much tbh
An Online game that wont get any updates ever can only survive so long, specially for an old game
Dude, seriously? Everything that we can say on this topic is anecdotal. We have no verifiable evidence to back up any of our claims on this subject. Pretending like we do makes you look absurd.
It is all going to be based purely upon our own experiences, biases, and opinions–which is why I had the good sense to add that caveat.
Hi hamster. No. You can find empirical facts of classic impact. They’re out there.
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