Is Calia Menethil a traitor?

Placeholder for what then?
If we go off of the “it was never meant to replace the original text” statement, then there was literally no reason to change it at all. The placeholder text would have just been the original text.
Plus, if anything, I’d expect their placeholder text to have been some form of Lorem Ipsum, not “let’s spend time defining a different theme for a race just for placeholder purposes” text.

I don’t think so.

Yeah I have to say that boggles my mind cause it’s a complete 180. Like in D&D where they want to make it so Drow aren’t racist slave traders, but in one of the recent campaigns wizards put out you’re a slave escaping from a drow princess who is pursuing you the entire time.

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Calia is literally the rightful queen of the forsaken.
As their rightful Queen she stands by her people.

Shes not a traitor, she is loyal to her own

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Plenty of humans from Lordaeron still around. Are they part of the Horde?

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A lot of quest text in the MoP beta had place holder stuff. Or just “And then something happens”. Simple stuff.

Even then the text in this case was just “the bare minimum” and worded poorly. Granted Forsaken working with the Horde IS protecting the living so I didn’t get all the fuss and no one bothered to actually explain other than “I don’t get to be a psychopath now waaa”

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they were trailing something and it was never meant to go live.
They changed their minds before hand.
The info we see is always a few builds behind

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I’d like her as a forsaken leader, she seems benevolent and compassionate and forsaken need some of that in their existence. You know, to balance “death to the living” and all.

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That was pretty good, I almost raged. You almost got me.

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I’m just picturing Blizz going “Ugh dangit guys JUST WAIT TWO SECONDS” when the fandom is screaming about something

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Calia is as much Alliance as Sylvanas was. They both were, just like Derek Proudmoore.

Now they are all Forsaken. Well Sylvanas is a lot more, but she was just some forsaken elf from the Alliance that led the Forsaken for a number of years

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I understand what you are saying, but to me, “And then something happens” is a bit more vague than defining player characters meaning for unliving.

I woulda imagined people surviving was a by-product of them killing other things. Their existence doesn’t seem dedicated to making sure the living continue to live.

Right.
And they were trialing it because the new leader of the forsaken is very much so pro-life.
That was my point.

Lets be real here the forsaken could use a warm figure for a change. I always picture her acting like a therapist

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With blizzard writing all this really means is she will literally let the alliance do whatever they want to her people while she continues to claim the forsaken are the ones doing bad things

If the living they were protecting is gone then they’re next so yes in a way the forsaken do protect the living. It’s just the living on their side ( to a point )

Oh. So now the horde has not one but two baine’s basically.

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Calia wants the “save” the Forsaken, whatever that means. When did she talk about the living? Her priorities seem to be:

  1. Forsaken of Lordaeron
  2. Derek Proudmoore (proving that yes a Menethil will get a Proudmoore)
  3. Peace and um stuff.

Jesus! That was a low blow.

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Im not trying to trigger anyone but as the only menethil remaining she is the rightful queen.

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It’s not that she “belongs” to the Horde, it’s just that she wants to help what she sees as her people, since the Menethils were the ruling family of Lordaeron. Especially after all the turmoil caused by Sylvanas (who was the person who killed her in the first place and then went on to do so much damage).

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Fair point. I was just connecting random dots.
Through the alliance storyline she was on good terms with the Alliance leaders, so her wanting to help the forsaken to me means it’ll be less of the psychotic undead wanting to kill alliance and moreso a helpful “we’re not insane” and less bloodthirsy group anymore.