Is blizzard doing it AGAIN to themselves?

[Tricksyhyena-arathor (Tricksyhyena)]

@Vlonk-tichondrius

@Tricksyhyena-arathor

@Reyoko-pagle

@Tricksyhyena-arathor

@Reyoko-pagle

I dont get the issue here.
MC and Ony are cleared.

Diremaul is a lesser dungeon.

Don’t feel too bad, most people don’t get it. While DM is a 5 man dungeon, much of the gear from there supersedes that acquired from tier 1 and 2 raids.

name one piece of gear in dm that supersedes t1/t2

Padre’s trousers

my pants of transcendance have more int, more MP5 and more + healing than padre’s trouser… it has more of literally everything padre’s offer, and it also have stamina, spirit ( and some random resist).

wrong. try again. (hint: look in the trinket section)

Pardon my lack of clarity, I do not have and may never have a priest’s perspective. It remains bis for Druids and paladins.

As do the insightful hood and gordok’s Offhand… at least until exalted with AV factions.

[Xanthak-durotan (Xanthak)]

It’s not about challenge. It’s about overall time spent in being prepared to finish MC. And no, just getting to 60 shouldn’t be enough.

[Quen-bloodsail-buccaneers]

Yes blizzard should obviously plan their releases around you and only you.

[Celessi-turalyon]

@Vlonk-tichondrius

@Pained-earthfury

@Reyoko-pagle

I dont get the issue here.

@Sortaokay-atiesh-692741

we cleared ony last night with a group of 28.
some including me werent even 60.

If you played vanilla, you would see that as an issue. If you really don’t understand still your retail account log in screen awaits you.

the issue?

as in, people were friggin horrible back in 2005?

yes, playing retail allowed us to see that… when you spent the last 10 years navigating your way through tough DPS/HPS check who throw 3-pages worth of mechanic at you every 15 second and make them overlap in simply unfair ways… then you face MC bosses who are basically tank-and-spank… it’s a completely different world.

Come on, they’re harder than that. Look at Gehennas. Sometimes, I have to help decurse a couple people. You have no idea how hard that is while I tunnel my leet deepz.

[Elaice-blades-edge (Elaice)]

Onyxia and Molten Core were never hard.

[Vlonk-tichondrius]

@Tricksyhyena-arathor

@Vlonk-tichondrius

@Tricksyhyena-arathor

@Reyoko-pagle

@Tricksyhyena-arathor

@Reyoko-pagle

I dont get the issue here.
MC and Ony are cleared.

Diremaul is a lesser dungeon.

Don’t feel too bad, most people don’t get it. While DM is a 5 man dungeon, much of the gear from there supersedes that acquired from tier 1 and 2 raids.

name one piece of gear in dm that supersedes t1/t2

Padre’s trousers

my pants of transcendance have more int, more MP5 and more + healing than padre’s trouser… it has more of literally everything padre’s offer, and it also have stamina, spirit ( and some random resist).

wrong. try again. (hint: look in the trinket section)

Pardon my lack of clarity, I do not have and may never have a priest’s perspective. It remains bis for Druids and paladins.

As do the insightful hood and gordok’s Offhand… at least until exalted with AV factions.

Alright then, look up the salamander scale pants (T1).

unless you value 6 int more than 3 mp5, 9 +healing, and +14 stamina ( PvP reasons mostly)… padre’s trouser is still not BIS.

or the empowered legging in T2, which even have some very valuable spell crit for paladins.

still not BIS.

[Pappardelle-deviate-delight]

@Magelord-smolderweb

because anybody with a brain will just skip straight to Dire Maul because the gear is better there

Anyone with a brain knows you’re wrong. Anyone with a brain knows this was absolutely not the case in vanilla.

[Vlonk-tichondrius]

@Magelord-smolderweb

Yes, actually there is stuff stopping me. There won’t be people to help me clear BRD, Strat, Scholo, LBRS, UBRS, Sunken Temple because anybody with a brain will just skip straight to Dire Maul because the gear is better there. Releasing Dire Maul now actually means less content for me, and most people in the game right now. If DM came out at the same time as BWL it would be way better, because it gives the no-lifers new loot to get, while also giving everybody else a way to catch up to them.

And as far as the excuse of “well EU had Dire Maul at launch and people still ran BRD, Strat, etc.” that’s because people back then didn’t know that DM had the best gear, most people thought tier 0 was the best pre-raid BIS and were farming for that. But the situation is completely different now because most players know that any time you spend in the other dungeons is time you’re not trying to get the best gear out of DM.

meanwhile , in reality, DM open up maybe 3 piece for people, like priest getting the DM trinket instead of farming jed in UBRS… that’s it.

the rest still comes from brs-brd-strat-scholo.

[Venomtongue-blaumeux]

So I think there is a combination of factors. First, yes you’re right the 1.12 was the final patch were by every class had significant changes to both mechanics and talent trees. Also, in the first year or so if not more of the game (I can’t remember when) there was no such thing as gear that had attack or spell power. This change was huge.

So one could argue that by virtue of the gear becoming more powerful it “nerfed” the instanced content.

I do remember back in 2004 to 2006 that they tweaked and retweaked the dungeons as they released new content.

[Farmer-incendius]

@Sortaokay-atiesh-692741

pandering to the 1%

haha you serious? A lot more people are 60 than the 1%

[Mythos-kurinnaxx]

In same ways i wish 5 mans were still relevant. Not that mythic+ zerg fest speed runs. But brutally hard 5 mans (new ones preferably) that stay relevent somehow. Maybe some good epics off the final boss like bc style.

[Farmer-incendius]

@Mythos-kurinnaxx

Not that mythic+ zerg fest speed runs

Mythic+ was a good idea in theory. But remove the timer and make it based on completion, but make em hard

[Startuptim-sulfuras]

@Döt-grobbulus

It’s not about Dire Maul. It’s about setting the precedent that they are gonna release stuff early to appease zoomers. If they are willing to do that, what else might they be willing to do?

We want hard boundaries set to preserve the game we wanted. If we wanted gotta go fast, we’d be playing retail.

100% this.

[Farmer-incendius]

You do know Dire Maul releasing in a week isn’t gonna change anything right?

[Bypass-atiesh]

This. Just because your slow leveling is no reason to content starve the rest of us.

[Thorgrim-pagle]

It’s not about Dire Mail, it’s the fact that they are releasing content almost 2 months early to cater to zergers crying about not having anything to do. If it took these players 6 weeks to get bored of 1-60, leveling dungeons, endgame dungeons, 2 raids, professions, all the rep grinds, etc…how long until they are bored of 3 new dungeons?

In 2 weeks we will be in the same spot, these people will be crying about having nothing to do and asking for more content to be released early.

[Startuptim-sulfuras]

@Dhalgren-blaumeux

Blizzard shouldn’t “cater” to any subgroup. That’s what hosed up retail. They should create a schedule. Announce it. Follow it. It should be up to the players to plan their play to the scheduled roll out. Mucking with the rollout schedule show they just can’t let the game and the players progress in an organic way. It’s totally fine if rapid content consumers get out in front and are bored.

Absolutely agreed.

[Startuptim-sulfuras]

@Thorgrim-pagle

It’s not about Dire Mail, it’s the fact that they are releasing content almost 2 months early to cater to zergers crying about not having anything to do. If it took these players 6 weeks to get bored of 1-60, leveling dungeons, endgame dungeons, 2 raids, professions, all the rep grinds, etc…how long until they are bored of 3 new dungeons?

In 2 weeks we will be in the same spot, these people will be crying about having nothing to do and asking for more content to be released early.

This is absolutely spot on with the issue.

[Spamstriing-incendius]

Yeah I think the game is weaker than it used to been. I do remember a period in WoW Classic 2004 when the content got easier after a few patches. Elite mobs in certain quests turned into normal mobs, people could not pull 2 different enemy groups in a dungeon and still survive.

[Brandiewine-old-blanchy]

Easy and people were aweful? Umm, maybe try guildies did not want to go into dungeons because they want farm or the dungeon was too long. If you were not the right class like a healer or tank, mage, rouge, shaman combo you did not get to go. Having to spam finding a group was at times, painful.

In raids having to learn the dance to avoid mobs or AoE that took practice like all of the raids did. Now people know Oxy and MC like the back of their hand. 15 years later, it is ridiculously easy.