Fear is instant, concussion blow is instant, disarm, pummel (kick), charge stun, and intercept stun…
Warrior has a lot going for it, and they have wall, retaliation, reck.
Quite a lot of utility,.
Regardless of where this conversation is going, I don’t disagree that warriors are over tuned.
I would very much like to see more class diversity in high end raiding for future Vanilla / SoM seasons. The attempted this in SoM1 to some success. But by AQ/Naxx it was still warrior dominant. They could continue tweaking things the same way and see where it gets them. But nerfing warriors into the ground is not the answer. It is an incredibly fun class that works incredibly well with gear progression. Plus, you will piss off like 40% of hardcore vanilla players lol.
Make other classes more engaging, useful, etc.
There rea a few warriors, but its not 40%
Well whatever the number is. Dedicated warrior players make up the largest percentage of any one class, among vanilla enthusiasts I’m pretty sure.
Yes, because its the most powerful class in both PVE and PVP by quite a lot.
Regardless, I don’t agree with your interpretation of what hybrid meant then or now. It has always been about the ability to perform more than one of the traditional RPG trinity roles.
That’s one reason. Another reason is the warrior/barbarian class fantasy is one of the most popular in RPG’s. I’ve played warrior from day 1 vanilla and through every expansion and iteration in WoW, regardless of whether it was overpowered or underpowered in any given patch / expansion.
I play fighters and barbarians in D&D. I play barbarian in Diablo. I’m just weird like that, but I’m not the only one haha.
That’s not a reason to make them overpowered, but it is a reason to make them good at what they’re supposed to do. Front-lining and damage dealing. I disagree with the sentiment that rogues and mages should always out-dps a warrior. They can do a lot a warrior cannot. But yeah, improve the effectiveness of under-represented classes/specs for future SoM, that would be great.
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Honestly your very argument about Warriors being hybrids should explain that the term isn’t talking about raid roles. Pally,sham,druid were pushed into healer only roles back in vanilla, but people still knew they were the hybrid classes.
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This is big facts. The thing people hate about Rogues is getting ganked for 12 second stun locks in the open world by subs. That doesnt work in group enviroments lmao
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Right?! I’d much rather be a Mage for endgame pvp. I did that in Vanilla and almost always dominated the scoreboards in whatever matches I played. Rogues were usually just a minor inconvenience to me.
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Im not talking exclusively about raid roles. Druids can function serviceably as a tank and shaman as DPS in a group or raid environment. Pallys were hammered the hardest with heals being the only thing they were good at outside of 5man content.
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Yeah most people dont realize how much a meme rogues really are until they played one. I thought they were good, turns out those players who made me think it was BIS in PVP were just really damn good players and that was the real truth of it.
100%
Not really sure what to tell you. People knew warriors weren’t hybrids back in vanilla. I actually still know it now. The game wasn’t balanced around the world buff min-max meta (didn’t exist). Most people thought the hybrids (druid,pal,sham) were OP back in the day.
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For some time before Legion launched rogues were the lowest represented class in the game. Not very popular overall (theyre not under represented by any means) and even less so in Metaville but still a fun as heck class to play.
As far as pvp balance changes I would hope that would not be for Era. Era just needs the chronoboon gone and it would be nice if they addressed some of the bugs they created,
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If any class/spec needs a pvp performance nerf bat, its SL Warlocks. But neither of these classes will be nerfed in this manner. These are not the kind of pvp changes they’re talking about.
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if i were a classic rogue, i’d just reroll warlock and continue ganking
It’s an rpg. Sometimes spells and special abilities get resisted. Are you suggesting we take spell resistance stats out of the game?
Nah, just RNG resist on CC’s I don’t mind if you dodge my frost bolts.
So you can resist the crowd control known as a slow but not hard CC’s like sheep.
Tell me you dont do much pvp without telling me. I’m aware pvp is a mini game in wow but this is a terrible suggestion lol.
We don’t have “Slow” until TBC.
Snares like frost bolt snare are binary with the frost bolt.
Snares like frost armor are not what I am talking about, just things like sheep, roots, fear, stuns, that sort of thing.