I would like to see spell reflect buffed back to 50% magic dr and it’s cool down reduced to match that of SB. Give us the option to raise our shield to block melee or magic.
11/10/2018 08:26 PMPosted by HellscreamerI would like to see spell reflect buffed back to 50% magic dr and it’s cool down reduced to match that of SB. Give us the option to raise our shield to block melee or magic.
That would be very helpful. Still wish we could block spells with our shield.
Remember spell reflect being on a 10 sec CD in WotLK. Pepperidge farm remembers.
Honestly just give me a better way to smooth out magic damage and I'll be a very happy warrior.
11/10/2018 10:10 PMPosted by VadimierHonestly just give me a better way to smooth out magic damage and I'll be a very happy warrior.
Bring back D stance 20% reduction to all damage.
Then just give a reliable sustain heal and a better Ohhh #$%^ button. Shield Wall isn't it with only 40% reduction with how squishy Prot is feels lack luster. Although if we had D stance back Shield wall would feel a lot better.
11/10/2018 08:26 PMPosted by HellscreamerI would like to see spell reflect buffed back to 50% magic dr and it’s cool down reduced to match that of SB. Give us the option to raise our shield to block melee or magic.
That would be broken as !@#$!
11/11/2018 10:14 AMPosted by Zorop11/10/2018 08:26 PMPosted by HellscreamerI would like to see spell reflect buffed back to 50% magic dr and it’s cool down reduced to match that of SB. Give us the option to raise our shield to block melee or magic.
That would be broken as !@#$!
Not necessarily, when you see Paladin have that as a talent on top of on demand heals/large DR cd’s. I think If it shared a cool down with SB it would be less spamable
Oh and remember
Heroic strike
Execute
Cleave
Shield barrier
Shattering throw
Battle stance
Bezerker stance
Sunder armor
Hamstring
Bladestorm
Eneraged regeneration
Oh and glad stance
Pepridge farm remembers
11/11/2018 02:55 PMPosted by Hellscreamer<span class="truncated">...</span>
That would be broken as !@#$!
Not necessarily, when you see Paladin have that as a talent on top of on demand heals/large DR cd’s. I think If it shared a cool down with SB it would be less spamable
Oh and remember
Heroic strike
Execute
Cleave
Shield barrier
Shattering throw
Battle stance
Bezerker stance
Sunder armor
Hamstring
Bladestorm
Eneraged regeneration
Oh and glad stance
Pepridge farm remembers
Bingo like how people say X would be broken and yet still not even comparable to previous iterations of Prot. It's just funny. Remember 10 second CD Spell reflect? Pepperidge farm remembers. Prot should consistently be able to mitigate and have way to recover. Instead right now where it's just completely squishy.
11/10/2018 09:07 PMPosted by Abombanation11/10/2018 08:26 PMPosted by HellscreamerI would like to see spell reflect buffed back to 50% magic dr and it’s cool down reduced to match that of SB. Give us the option to raise our shield to block melee or magic.
That would be very helpful. Still wish we could block spells with our shield.
Remember spell reflect being on a 10 sec CD in WotLK. Pepperidge farm remembers.
Daily reminder that Pallies can (or could?) block spells.
11/11/2018 11:26 PMPosted by Seanlord11/10/2018 09:07 PMPosted by Abombanation...
That would be very helpful. Still wish we could block spells with our shield.
Remember spell reflect being on a 10 sec CD in WotLK. Pepperidge farm remembers.
Daily reminder that Pallies can (or could?) block spells.
They also can heal as well as a healer. They can literally top themselves off and everyone around them.
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Not necessarily, when you see Paladin have that as a talent on top of on demand heals/large DR cd’s. I think If it shared a cool down with SB it would be less spamable
Oh and remember
Heroic strike
Execute
Cleave
Shield barrier
Shattering throw
Battle stance
Bezerker stance
Sunder armor
Hamstring
Bladestorm
Eneraged regeneration
Oh and glad stance
Pepridge farm remembers
Bingo like how people say X would be broken and yet still not even comparable to previous iterations of Prot. It's just funny. Remember 10 second CD Spell reflect? Pepperidge farm remembers. Prot should consistently be able to mitigate and have way to recover. Instead right now where it's just completely squishy.
You say you've played for a while but fail to acknowledge design philosophy changes each expansion.
Let's take Legion, every class was intended to be overpowered in every category. Threat, healing, mitigation, etc. In that paradigm, tanks could and did solo relevant (albeit intro) content and a veng was able to do a 15 Coen in time alone.
Blizz didn't like what they saw and changed to a philosophy of removing endless kiting and replacing tank vulnerabilities, like losing threat.
I disagree with constant class redesigns and would prefer a cap skill or talent row so balancing is relatively easy. But the argument of the past is flaccid.
GCD, SB CD, Range Block, and 5% additional bonus.
At least you guys will still be able to tank vol'kaal like no other. Just vol'kaal though.
At least you guys will still be able to tank vol'kaal like no other. Just vol'kaal though.
11/09/2018 11:06 AMPosted by Abombanation11/09/2018 10:42 AMPosted by ThedîeselJust be happy that they're fixing it at all. First everyone asked them to fix it. Then they announced they'd fix it in a patch that releases in 4 weeks.
Don't be the guy that complains that it ain't good enough. At least they're working on it.
No I will not be happy that they fixed a minor thing that could of been fixed in Beta.
Yes I will complain until they add depth and new talents to an Iconic tank that needs some class development.
Plan on having a side of miserable with your indignation.
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11/12/2018 06:54 AMPosted by WhipnastyYou say you've played for a while but fail to acknowledge design philosophy changes each expansion.
Don't think the design philosophy should leave Prot terrible the past few years. Looking for a change in this trend. Prot hasn't been great in a very very long time and several expansions.
11/12/2018 01:38 PMPosted by QuixaGCD, SB CD, Range Block, and 5% additional bonus.
Yes these are nice Quality of life changes but doesn't get into anything great yet like fixing our talents or mechanics.
11/12/2018 01:54 PMPosted by MatjekPlan on having a side of miserable with your indignation
My sub is to play Prot I give each expansion a try realize they don't make good changes then Unsub for 6 months or more at a time then just hope for the next expansion to be better. I didn't play for a year in Legion either and BFA looks to be the same pile of poo. Guess there is always Classic. At this point hope they do WotLK servers after classic when Prot was amazing.
Don't think the design philosophy should leave Prot terrible the past few years. Looking for a change in this trend. Prot hasn't been great in a very very long time and several expansions.
Not saying it should. Tanks should definitely be balanced. But asking for things like heroic strike isn't really a great idea. Heroic strike served a purpose before global threat modifiers. 150% additional threat 60% bonus damage and a solid rage dump. Worked when everything cost rage.
Though, it's my understanding that you are never referring to tanking and players don't experience threat outside talents that force a player to do less damage to others (duel or challenge or w/e the arms talent is called).
Same token, bringing back sunder in some capacity would be nice, even if it was copy pasta from monks current debuff, but even that isn't enough to bring dps monks a lot of the time.
11/09/2018 12:15 PMPosted by PenguinjimThat isn't a proc, then. It's just baked into the ability.
Proc:
Short for "Spec Proc" which is short for Special Procedure...
Used in RPG's to describe a special ability that an item/weapon/armor has.
Procs are not random by definition, but can be.
11/13/2018 07:07 AMPosted by Warreun11/09/2018 12:15 PMPosted by PenguinjimThat isn't a proc, then. It's just baked into the ability.
Proc:
Short for "Spec Proc" which is short for Special Procedure...
Used in RPG's to describe a special ability that an item/weapon/armor has.
Procs are not random by definition, but can be.
Proc: Programmed Random Occurrence
By my definition, they are random. Most procs when referred to as a noun are random. When things do proc as a verb, i can see it as either. Things like purgatory and cheat death come to mind. Regardless, neither of those definitions fit what was being described very well.
11/13/2018 07:37 AMPosted by Penguinjim11/13/2018 07:07 AMPosted by Warreun...
Proc:
Short for "Spec Proc" which is short for Special Procedure...
Used in RPG's to describe a special ability that an item/weapon/armor has.
Procs are not random by definition, but can be.
Proc: Programmed Random Occurrence
Procs in modern gaming, especially WoW, are indeed random. Your definition is decades old and irrelevant.
Something having a chance to proc would be random. Something that procs when x occurs doesn't have to be random.
11/13/2018 07:59 AMPosted by Zinrokh...
Proc: Programmed Random Occurrence
Procs in modern gaming, especially WoW, are indeed random. Your definition is decades old and irrelevant.
Something having a chance to proc would be random. Something that procs when x occurs doesn't have to be random.
Yeah, I didn't like my answer, so I already fixed it. Point is, having a standard definition of the word doesn't really work.
I just hit 120 on my warrior after mostly being a warrior tank through Legion and tanking almost exclusively since TBC. It’s somehow worse than Guardian is now. Warrior tanking in Legion wasn’t great from a numbers standpoint but it felt active and fluid.
This...feels like I’m playing piano but half the keys aren’t working. I’m constantly having to press multiple buttons to keep up but they’re all GCD locked. I don’t know how people have been doing it. Even with IP off the GCD, I’m not sure that will make much of a difference. I could barely keep myself up doing a normal Underrot.
Maybe I need to reevaluate how I’m playing but man it felt awful.
This...feels like I’m playing piano but half the keys aren’t working. I’m constantly having to press multiple buttons to keep up but they’re all GCD locked. I don’t know how people have been doing it. Even with IP off the GCD, I’m not sure that will make much of a difference. I could barely keep myself up doing a normal Underrot.
Maybe I need to reevaluate how I’m playing but man it felt awful.