Yes, I agree. I tend to think about legion and the class hall system and the class campaigns and mount - and for some reason that motivated me to try that on many different classes - It was fun, it was rewarding to me - but that “concept” has not ferried over to this current system and I find I’m not motivated to engage the different covenants.
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Don’t worry, once Blizzard figures out how to tweak and correctly balance covs, the next xpac will be out which will remove them.
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Who can be #1 at everything that you’re talking about? What infinitesimally small percentage of players has that potential? And yet you are saying that even those who used to be able to do that are playing the game for the wrong reason if they want to do what they can do well.
I wonder why you tell us you are “competitive” yet expect everybody else to settle for far less than good enough?
I mean, let’s be real. They won’t figure that out either. Come 9.3.5 they’ll just make it so you can pick whatever covenant power and look you want and be like “See, we gave you what you want.”
And that’s the caveat. Everyone’s threshold is different. For some, if being the best doesn’t happen by logging in, it’s too much work for them. For others, burnt #1 isn’t as important as having fun while remaining competitive.
I don’t think the system is perfect by any means. I’m not white knighting for Blizzard. I have plenty of my own issues with their system(s).
But I don’t think it’s a bad thing to pull the reigns in so one class/spec/whatever is dominating everything. Like I’m a Druid, and I’m welcoming the Balance nerfs. They were a bit ridiculous and needed it.
And same thing with covenants. Venthyr is best for my Sin Rogue due to the burst it allows and the way my spec interacts with Haste (and the haste buff from Flag). But it is not best for Outlaw Rogue, but it still keeps it within the competitive range.
And I think that’s a good balance.
I’m not being condescending. He strictly referred to his place on the damage meters as a representation of how he compares “being good”. It was in direct relation to what he said.
Furthermore, I’ve never disregarded any of the issues with the systems. I’m just not giving into the “sky is falling” mentality. If we were permanently locked into our covenant choices through their buffs and nerfs until 9.1, then I would be. But as it stands…no. It sucks, but it’s not as bad as everyone makes it out to be.
You can still swap. There’s just restrictions to it.
Yeah, I covered that as well. But not everyone chose it based on “best numbers”. 
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Not everyone no. But you’d be hard pressed to say that a large majority of players didn’t.
remember when they said they had a ripcord they were gonna pull if it came to it? i memba
Not who. What.
Rogues for example: Outlaw would be the #1 melee M+, and Assassination being the top in raids, and Sub killing it in PvP.
Outlaw with Necrolord
Assassination with Venthyr
Sub was Kyrian…I don’t do Sub so I haven’t kept up with what’s #1 now.
Point being, Outlaw wouldn’t be the best if it stuck with Venthyr, but it would still be competitive, for example.
Never told anyone to settle or that their mindset was wrong. Just correcting the “you can’t do this”. Well you actually can, you just don’t like how it’s done. Understandable, but it’s being blown out of proportion. And if there’s any conflicting ideas or thoughts, I’ve never told anyone they’re wrong or it isn’t right. I’ve been asking questions all along and going back and forth.
But using the current design system isn’t settling. Refusing to do it the way it’s set up because you don’t like it, is settling.
Completely in agreement. It’s in human nature (and the universe really) to take the oath of least resistance. And also human nature, people want to do well. So if someone has done all the math and says X is the best path to do well, most people will lean to X. Myself in specific scenarios as well.
What do night fae and necrolord paladins even do?
Is that the meme!? I was wondering where that satiny came from and why everyone is always saying “pull the ripcord” haha. Totally makes sense. I gets it now!
If a doordash delivery comes with feces in the bag are you just going to pick around it because complaining to a company you paid is counterproductive?
Or negative in that they allow you to be excluded from something when your raid leader benches you, the necrolord afflock for the NF afflock that does 2k more DPS than you.
Pull the ripcord comes from an interview Ion did with preach, where preach was voicing some of these concerns and Ion was like “well if we can’t figure it out, we have things in place where we can just remove the restriction. Pull the ripcord as it were.”
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While that scenario will never happen, the only way you get a bad experience is if you yourself have a low rating from drivers giving you a rating
You see on Uber, drivers can rate you depending on what you do while he/she is taking you to your destination
If you do nothing wrong and tip them, then all is well
But if you start thrashing in the car and trying to destroy his interior vehicle and then give you no tip because “lul” then they can give you a 1 star, eventually future drivers will not pick you because you’re a rude person
I’m pretty sure Uber eats and door dash have the same thing, that’s why you get a “thanks for tipping me!” Notification because they rated you
So… Back to the ripcord and SL…
Thrash all you want but Blizzards choice Blizzards decision, feel free to walk away because of it
… Do you know what a Truism is?
So we agree? Our meaningful decisions are all entirely invalidated when they massively change the parameters in 9.1, months after we’ve made our decision? All the meaning is gone now, right?
My raid is progging mythic blood council right now, we are DEMONSTRABLY not world first. If we had a bunch of people playing bad covenants the p1 Frieda push would not be happening for us right now. As is, we’re barely pushing the phase transition. So…covenant choice absolutely affects more than world first. Period.
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A truism is a claim that is so obvious or self-evident as to be hardly worth mentioning
And yet, it needed to be stated because some people seem to think they can define what is meaningful for other people.
If they massively change it, then yes. But can’t say until it happens
I really just want to have unique soulbind builds per spec. Right now the sharing of soulbinds hinders us to use offspecs. It shouldn’t be that way. If two specs want the same soulbind you have to pick just one to play.
It really didn’t.
And no they don’t.
It doesn’t matter what YOU define as meaningful. BLIZZARD intends it to be a meaningful choice because of X. Whether this applies to you or not is irrelevant as it’s their game.