So you’re aware you aren’t a great player, but refuse to acknowledge that what I am stating is not that you shouldn’t get gear, just that you shouldn’t get it first unless the other candidates are beneath you.
Even from just an objective outsider perspective. Would you not agree it should be on the person who can acknowledge they aren’t that great, other people are just better and therefore concede priority on items to them and then wait until their turn comes around for the sake of having a legitimate loot system in the game than to spoil the fun for literally everyone else because they feel loot should be based on a dice roll?
Know why not many people used group loot in dungeons which was an option? Because it was absolutely stupid for all the external factors of consideration regarding distributing an item that could be considered for the potential candidates and find who is at that time the most deserving of it, that the game should remove everyone’s efforts and entire contribution from the equation and pick blindly to be how it went down and most people understood and agreed. It was a lesser problem when you’re dealing with content everyone is meant to be able to farm like dungeons, it’s different on things that you can only kill once a week. Extra considerations need to be made with distribution to reward those putting forth the most tangible and beneficial effort first.
They can rectify that. The idea that you’re bad and will always be bad is laughably sad to me. I just refuse to accept that thinking because I expect more from myself than to do that. Things I can’t change like not being able to walk through walls are a given, but not being able to press keys on a keyboard is just something I refuse to accept is beyond the grasp of somebody. Even Swifty could keybind and that dude was missing his left pinkie which removed shift modifier options.
Yes, I’ve spent hours at training dummies, read icy veins guides till my eyes bled, been ridiculed in class discords trying to get help, etc etc. I’ve done everything and the best I seem to do is greys and greens. Maybe a blue once. I have a lot of confidence issues, and the endgame is pretty stressful and anxiety inducing. Maybe if I had a kind and supportive guild, but alas…
Nevertheless I still try to enjoy the game, still try to see some cool places and come out with an epic or two, despite all of the people in this community constantly putting me down, and making me feel worthless with the armory and log shaming. There’s a reason I post on this level 10 classic char.
Look for a guild, or legit I’ll be real with you and despite earlier I am offering this suggestion to you from the bottom of my heart for your sake.
Play FFXIV because the way the community handles things there seems right up your alley in all honesty. People care more that you can do the mechanics, DPS checks aren’t really a thing unless you’re doing Savage (Mythic) raiding. Normal mode raiding has pretty basic but fun mechanics, it feels rewarding, drops tokens everyone rolls on. If you don’t win one that week you run it again and can roll again since on normal your loot lock per wing is based on acquiring an item, not having had a chance at one like in WoW. Raiding is fast and easy, literally do mechanics and slap it a bit, don’t even need to be super good and you’ll down it. Very uhh, noobfriendly I guess not in a negative way, just that it expects a small amount, the community knows this and also expects a small amount. Literally they will work with you and be compassionate if you ask for help or advice 99% of the time. Very little shaming goes on in that game and the moderation is very proactive about keeping it that way, people just suspended if they dps shame in chat without a chance of getting off kind of strict.
Literally might be exactly the kind of thing you want if you can get into the playstyle of it.
I tried it recently but ended up coming back to WoW. The art style and class selection really didn’t do it for me. I love the world of Azeroth and I love my dark iron dwarf destruction warlock. FFXIV, while a good game with an enviable community, just simply can’t replicate that.
Why can’t WoW have a friendlier community though? Not everything has to be bleeding edge extreme competition.
Ah fair enough, if it’s not for you it’s just not for you and nothing can be done about that, I can respect that. Kind of a shame that’s the filter for you though because FFXIV is much better on the social aspects and given MMOs are a heavy social game, even if you don’t socialize you still need to deal with people that alone will translate into people seeing it as a better game alone because they feel good playing it.
Because Blizzard dropped the ball on moderating it. We’ve seen this crop up a lot lately with discussions following streamers and the responsibility they have for their chats and the same to YouTubers. Bottom line is basically, when a community forms, something needs to shape that culture otherwise it will just shape itself. Blizzard chose to take a step back and not get involved so people just got more and more toxic. Now it’s kind of endemic when you play the game within the community.
We saw this with arena too in Wrath. People went from judging people’s skill in pvp not based on skill, consistency, reaction speed, reads, merely arena rating. Literally nothing counteracted that and arena pugging became a numbers game, leave after one loss mess whereas in TBC teams would suck but still stick together for a while and try to make it actually work.
Anyway, the gist is Blizzard didn’t moderate the community. It became what it was. WoW being so integral to a lot of the internet at the time spread it to everything else. League of Legends kind of got amplified when people started playing that game in late Wrath early then League kind of became an even worse spreader of the behavior.
XIV on the other hand, very early the community had a bad game and kind of had to be positive. Square was working to do their best and eventually got ARR out, kept people positive after release and hopeful. I notice that also plays into it. Player attitudes. If they enjoy the game they are playing they generally are less toxic. It’s when they aren’t having fun, like a lot of people with WoW (they just want to be done with the chores) that the slightest thing that elongates the miserable experience makes people seethe.
League was always kind of toxic because it’s a competitive game with an actual winner and loser, ranked takes points from you and you can lose a game through no fault of your own by another player, but the structure of the leaver buster means you can’t just leave the game if someone is purposely making you lose or trolling the team. So it just makes the experience a 30 minute nightmare you can’t leave without being punished. Being punished and at the mercy of another player for half an hour and I can’t escape it until game over? Yeah that sounds healthy and going to foster positive attitudes!
It is what it is. I just like the aesthetics of WoW more all around. FFXIV is by no means a bad game, I just couldn’t get into it personally.
I’m hoping they’re trying to turn that around. I reported a couple of people last week and actually got notices back saying that action was done.
But anyway, I’ve resolved to just try to enjoy the game on my own. These days I’m pretty reluctant to try and engage with the community, given how harsh people can be, but maybe one day I’ll stumble into that magical group. Despite the emphasis on competition this game seems to have, there are folks like me who are just trying to have fun and relax, and don’t want to care at all about that. Better that than crying myself to sleep when I never see my DPS go up, right? I only get upset when folks are trying to trash me, saying I don’t deserve loot or anything.
Funny that you mention League of Legends though, the community basically drove me away from that game too. It made not want to consume any of their content at all; not their YT videos, not their Netflix show, not any MMO they might come out with.
which is my problem with it, even though it has no effect on my game since i dont raid.
Give players the choice, if its a tool thats better for the guild as a whole. dont screw over guilds it did actually help over the ones who abused it. Players have the choice to walk away from any guild at any time if they feel they are being abused.
I was part of two very large guilds a long while back and they were really good people. lol, even said it was ok to use guild funds for repairs, even thought I wasnt raiding, I only wanted the guild perks and to get the heirlooms. To thank them I dumped 50K or so into their guild bank. But their overly decent attitude shattered the narrative Ive heard so many times about guilds being slavers who will keep members busy with grunt work…farming mats and such…that i actually felt bad that I bought into the accusations against guildies without taking the time to find out if they were true or not.
There are self serving, abusive people in the world. Some of them slime their way into the gaming community. Best when we find them, to just shun them and find others to hang out and play with.
ML should have been left a choice if raiders can use it to better their chances of ‘winning’.
And one of those players happens to be the GM’s buddy. The more loot he gets, the better his parses are, thus continually justifying funneling loot to him. And that’s how honest people play favorites without even realizing they are stiffing other players.
And this is why a lot of players have given up on guilds. Their only option is to walk away from a guild that is not giving them gear, now months later and far enough behind in gearing that they will likely have to settle for a guild that is making less progress.
At the end of wod, when personal loot had been announced as the standard for guild runs that had fewer than 80% guild members, a great many complaints were from guilds that apparently needed the loot from those pugs. They brought in pugs never intending to give them a chance at loot.
agreed - just trying to get in the headspace of someone who seems to play the game vastly differently from me and my friends so that i can understand both sides! appreciate you as well.
what kind of content do you usually engage in? heroic raiding? M? CE?
in the current moment to me its mostly based on optimization of loot distribution. you dont want healers and tanks having 2/4P before your dps because thats typically not the optimal route for gearing in progression. more gear on dps means boss dies faster means less to heal and less to tank as a general rule of thumb. its also something where in the case of weapons you are beholden to the number of similar classes in your raid to have a hope of getting one. and then there’s also the 1% upgrade vs 10% upgrade but trading restriction prevents that trade from happening. so my POV is just why not let us distribute loot how we want, bubble or not. if the vast majority of players want PL and explicitly no ML, as alot of people seem to suggest on this thread, then it shouldnt be an issue finding likeminded groups?
we would be able to boost regardless - we just check that you’re able to trade items in every slot required prior to joining the run - PL actually made boost sales/funnels better for the buyer because you would armor stack and force a usually higher amount of those items to drop.
It was a problem for the game that improperly run guilds were able to do it without restrictions, yes. There are no limitations or prerequisites for creating guilds. But those people are gone. They went to find games that still had better exploits. So you hear people who are involved with properly run guilds leading the conversation on this topic.