The burst is great,
But the drop off is terrible.
So far in raids I’ll start of as lead dps for 20 seconds, then ret, sin rogues, fury, ww just take command.
Ill end bursts at the go for 800 to 900k and by the time the boss is down end up at 450 to 550.
These other classes are maintaining 700 to 800 k sustained over the boss fight.
And to make matters. Worse, ret is getting buffed?
Frost is up in the 800k range over the course of the fight.
I agree, it also feels really bad to use your cool downs and have them wasted by some mechanic that you need to get out of.
Frost is clearly in the best spot according to early logs…
Did you read the original post or are you just trolling?
I did, but if they give it better sustained DPS, are you expecting some adjustments elsewhere ?
Cause I play also play a Frost DK.
I’d rather have the damage profile of ret, where I do t need a 45s to 1.5 min CD to put up good numbers.
I don’t play breath, and don’t even know how to.
I raided.today on UH AND IT WAS WAY BETTER.
It’s not dependent on pillars and Db cds, the damage is just there all the time, and even better when the 4 horseman are summoned
You dont have to.
You dont have the stats to get frost going but unholy is actually doing worse overall than frost.
The riders are your highest dps contribution with unholy. Then your other pets make up another 25% so over half of your damage is coming from riders and pets which most of which are cd based around 1.5-45 second cd’s
If you are only getting 400-500k at the end of a boss fight as frost, you are doing something seriously wrong.
Frost is 7th in the rankings at the moment while Unholy is 16th, ~25k behind frost on average.
At almost ilvl 600 you should be doing more than 358k as unholy. Others at your ilvl are up in the 700-800k range. You are leaving around 50% of the damage you could be doing on the table somewhere.
I can understand envy of the ret damage profile but I’m not envious of ret damage lol
I’ll take gigapumping 1.6M in my burst windows if it means I get fisted by mechanics every now and then
Maybe now that all these new FDKs are on here posting about the same problem that FDK has had for 6 years they will actually fix it lol.
Frost has been this way ever since it was shoehorned into a minute go spec in legion, which is what led me to play blood instead
Only one real way to fix it, get rid of KM rank 2. Pillar has Obliteration which forces KM procs. If it didn’t then pillar would feel just as bad because you are fishing for KM procs to get full damage. The damage swing from a regular Obliterate and a KM Obliterate is much more than the ability being a crit like KM used to provide.
The problem with frost is that the melee hit bixes are so terrible and in these raids all the moving around inhibits frost damage.
I’m not sure where you are getting g 358k on my uh, but yesterday when I raided with it I start at 1.6 million and sustain 600 to 700k.
Ill try frost again maybe later today and see what happens.
Your crit is still low. Looking at your “Frost” set right now and its under 20%. Thats not good enough especially with someone over 600ilvl. Should be more around 25% or higher for frost.
Use your movement abilities better.
Your log. 1 heroic kill, highest dps 358,423.1, over 9 minute fight, 4 aboms used when it could have easily been 7 which also means less riders which makes up a good portion of unholy damage.
Normals arent that much better outside of 2 fights one being just shy of 600k and the other just over 500k. There is a lot of room for improvement sometimes to the point where you can almost double, double or even triple your dps.
I’d be in favour of removing many of the Pillar of frost related talents in favour of buffing our basic kit.
Except that would just flatten the damage profile and kill the spec.
There’s also not really that much damage that cab be pulled out from Whelps and Enduring. Enduring is barely above 2% extra damage in ST and Whelps isn’t that much further ahead.
The only way to get damage in the base abilities is to remove the guaranteed crit or 100% Frost damage from KM. The damage of everything is based off KMs power and has been for a while.
Lets just go all the way and make obliterate during pillar use all 6 runes and do 15 million frost damage. 
My crit actually does up to 30% in fights due to trinket and buzzing runes
Can go up to isn’t reliable.
I think pillar should. Be built into every obliterate like ret get with their wings now