i know some of the biggest gripes with BFA were the AP grind, azerite armor, and now the essence system.
The AP grind which is worse from legion because now to actually grind ap it is completely on small bits from world qeusts and big bumps from emisarys and island expeditions.
Azerite armor was bad because unlike the artifact weapon when you unlocked a trait with AP you kept it. now when you get an “upgrade” you have to re-grind the traits (this has since been fixed and now you need an “ok level” on your neck and the AP grind has been moved to essences)
Essences are interesting and were meant to be a fix to the Azerite armor, the main issue is they are character based and the grind to get the actual useful level of the trait can take weeks, im looking at you mechagon and your 6 week rank 3 visions. They are also not making these free/account wide come 8.3 which is a big mistake making 8.2 content hold people back from 8.3 content. we are getting yet another grind with the cloak to be able to use the corrupted gear so i dont see why they really need to keep the essence grind.
There is also the issues with mythic plus, the 1st season being infested was toted as the worst change to M+, the 2nd season was amazing but in my experience all of my friends stopped playing before it hit because M+ was just not fun anymore, season 3 with beguiling was another poor season, it was an affix meant to make you change ur route every week (cool idea) but when 90% of the dungeons are a straight line you cant change course it makes it a bad affix to deal with.
8.3 seems to be a decent patch, raid looks good, m+ affix looks good, no more titanforging which will be good, corruption looks better each time they add/change it on ptr
He’s using a very narrow field of examples to try to prove me wrong when he doesn’t even understand what my point was in the first place. I started ignoring him.
I’m going to disagree that BFA is good… sorry I just can’t possibly agree with that.
BFA is like when you ask for something nice from a name brand like Sony… and someone buys you a “Kony” (real knockoff brand) instead. They may fundamentally do the same things, but the knockoff does it worse in every possible way and somehow sucks the joy out of everything. It removes everything that made what you wanted special because that would have cost money.
What has BFA ruined for me:
PvP
Removal of templates
Warmode - I could go on a rant for quite a while about how bad an idea this was and I don’t do world PVP much
Mog
Removal of Tier sets
Inability to farm mog from legion content due to removal of master looter/free for all, and the sabotaging of mog farming from older content due to the quirks of legacy loot
General mogs for the expansion being just bleh
Gear
Azerite armor being insanely situational and annoying
Not even sure where to start… but the fact that entire specs (classes are effectively dead this expansion) are DOA in some content is just
The effectively insanely large prune caused by the removal of artifact weapons.
Story
The story feels like it’s something marketing made up to sell subs, who cares if they stay subbed
Complete lack of any sort of coherence in story at a general level, some zones did well but the zone level story is completely disconnected from the larger story. E.g. how is Drustvar witches relevant?
Waaaaaay too much story happening off screen and only announced in tweets.
Thats what I can think of off the top of my head… but BFA is a loser for me overall. I think Cata was worse IMO, and I can’t judge WoD since I wasn’t playing at the time.
What ruins BFA for me in comparison to Legion is how low the reputation gains are for WQs or dailies in the new zones. I think one of the Nazjatar dailies gave me a mere 50 reputation points recently.
Considering how many BFA WQs I’ve been doing, I should be earning paragon chests by now in BFA, but I’m still inching towards getting Exalted for the first time on all factions.
Cataclysm saw the game bring out a knife.
Warlords of Draenor saw that knife brought to the game’s throat.
Battle for Azeroth is aggressively drawing that knife across.
that’s there time gate which adds to the BFA hate. I won’t lie…I hate it. Even legion before some double rep patching after 8.0…had better rep.
And it was the war story that irked me. that is level and rep locked.
Well done hero, don’t know what we’d do without you.
Cool, no biggy. What’s the next mission?
Who are you again? Come back with more rep/levels scrub.
This served some function at release I will grant. We’d burn through this in a day which would be odd the first week (assuming it was all there). BFA is out for a while now. Time to remove that.
if a fresh 110 just wants to run this all the way to final bit before naz let them.
Tinfoil says these had decent azerite rewards. so they gated this. to regulate the gear till 120.
The rep gains (or lack there of) is just disgusting, honestly. Especially if you poke your head into a Burning Crusade Dungeon and start getting the equivalent rep of a World Quest for killing a single trash mob.
After coming off a several year hiatus (Pandaria being the last expansion played), the only amount of time I’ve spent in BFA since returning was to max level and run the quests once. Not even the new mounts can keep me engaged there. I’m farming mounts on dungeon runs and reputation grinds for crying out loud.
In contrast, I’ve spent a great amount of time in every other expansion, including ones I’ve played in years past. It’s not even challenging at max level, which is a bummer, but the design is so much better in every way. I’ve done most every dungeon and raid except for those in BFA. Some of them I’ve ran through 20+ times.
BFA is also the only expansion I haven’t unlocked flying for. I’d rather grind world quests in Legion for mounts than be there.
It’s funny that you say that because I played straight through Legion and then BFA over the past couple of months, and I saw far more people (including 120s) running the WQs in Legion zones than I do in BFA zones.
I’m sorry, but I don’t find your comment very coherent. You say that you haven’t played the raiding and that you haven’t been involved in the game since launch (which combined are like, what, 70%/80% of the whole?), and yet you say that it’s more enjoyable than legion? It just doesn’t add up.
If you have just said that you enjoy BFA’s story more than Legion’s, then that would have been all right because that’s subjective and you are entitled to like whatever you want. But saying that BFA is underrated and more enjoyable than Legion while not having been around since launch and not raiding, that’s just ridiculous.
Legion is definitely the closest one to rival BFA in terms of population. There’s never a lack of players to be had there. I’d put it in the top 3, with no way of BFA equaling it. It was even better when the artifact weapons were still working.
What I find with BFA is there’s no curiosity or intrigue. I started doing the mount grind in Mount Hyjal, which I’ve already been here for Firelands’ runs countless times. Before unlocking the required dailies, you have to save / help all 4 guardians, which ties into the main quests. And I find the quests engaging enough to where I become focused on the lore and storyline, which also ties into the Firelands I’ve been running with no idea what it’s about. Then there’s hints and whispers of what occured during Warcraft 3 and prior, and the quest / environment design is great.
After starting with the intention of doing the mount grind, I’ve stayed to complete the entire zone and take it all in.
Another example is the Nether Ray reputation grind in the Outlands. On the surface it’s a grind, but there’s the elixirs to reveal the hidden enemies, which drop the items to summon mini-bosses, which after all 4 are defeated you can summon the main boss… and it’s all tied into the story and questline there.
BFA feels linear and like they’re trying to force you to through the quests and story. Every 5 steps there’s another part of the questline. In reading some of the interviews and seeing how they’ve been designing the game, they seem to think we’re completely inept and need our hands held every step of the way; to be told exactly what to do and when and in what order.
