I'm still struggling with with why the horde committed genocide

This was retconned. You used to be right, that most undead were just undead. Now, we have varying levels of undeath.

You have -

Mindless undead (skeletons and zombies)
Forsaken undead
DeathKnights
Nathanos quality undead
Calia quality undead

I might have missed a few steps there, but that’s the pecking order, with Forsaken almost being at the bottom and Calia being at the top.

Interesting. Can I read this somewhere about the power being retconned?

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It was a general statement, and it has happened in the past. Just because you aren’t doing it now (supposedly), that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen.

Uhh…other than 2 people everyone I know in my real life is a Horde player and fan.

They pick more fights within themselves and with us, their Alliance friends more than anyone I’ve seen over silly things like “How dare you insult the Horde tattoo”.

So…your logic?

Uh, that’s not genocide.

Kittredge is right. So far this thread is pretty tame. But some of the threads, almost always started by Alliance players are just as accusatory as he is saying.

Some people do seem to forget that this is just a game.

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He’s wrong. He just doesn’t get the fact that bad eggs exist on both sides.

Rose tinted glasses

Don’t compare a tragedy to a genocide. Use a neutral channel to smuggle a weapon that turns a neutral port into a crater and there will be blowback. I don’t agree with what Jaina did, but it’s not comparable.
She lost everything and a small faction of Mages within a city got kicked out, those who fought back were killed or imprisoned.

That is morally grey. The bombing was evil.

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My logic is fine. Your reading comprehension on the other hand. :slight_smile:
My point wasn’t that Horde don’t pick fights, they certainly do. My point was about this specific issue.

Thanks for reading, now, have a nice day. :smile:

I’ve seen my own real life friends picking fights over the Horde committing genocide between the division of Horde and Sylvanas loyalists?

Your point? They literally fight within themselves

It’s an irrelevant statement because it has nothing to do with the content of my posts. It’s easy to put people in certain categories and ignore them because you put them in that category.

I see both. I will ignore either side trying to start a fight. Let’s not drag other thread drama in this thread. I am simply trying to understand the lore.

Why is it morally grey when she started killing innocence?

I don’t agree with Garrosh or the burning of the tree.

I don’t agree with you that the genocide of MY people is any less than those of the night elves.

Well, that’s completely subjective. Again, I never said that wasn’t a possibility. I was talking about what I see on these forums, as I very clearly stated.

If you feel the need to make another confused reply, please give it a little more thought beforehand. :blush:

But weren’t you the one who said “For this topic alone”?

Now that I provided data that even Horde players become silly when on this topic you say it’s subjective?

Sounds like you are just putting on rose tinted glasses trying to glorify one faction.

Genocide would mean she tried to kill all Blood Elves or the entire city of Silvermoon. She didn’t. She removed all Horde from a neutral magical city after an actual genocide occurred with ties to the elves in that city.

I did the scenario on both sides. The Alliance and Jaina only killed elves who fought back, The Horde player straight up espionage’d their way to a bombing.

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Spoken like someone who truly lost the argument.

We all know it’s a videogame. That doesn’t mean we cannot discuss the plot.

It’s important I point out three additional things:

1: The Horde were swimming toward the Alliance, not away. There were other boats and this wasn’t far from shore.

2: The Alliance officers were possessed by Sha. Even in killing those Orcs, it would not really have been their fault.

3: The order was given, but the action was not taken without question. Nathanos burned down civilians after being told once. The Alliance needed to be given a reason.

So in your attempt to frame them as equal, you’ve actually proven that even when possessed by literal hate ghosts, Alliance soldiers remain morally superior to Horde soldiers.

No matter how hard the “Alliance are just as bad” crowd try to argue it, Horde are monsters and Alliance are not. A physical incarnation of negative emotions cannot make Alliance as bad as Horde (Possibly excluding Tauren) just naturally are. That’s a fact.

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Can we please stick to talking about the lore and not insulting actual players?

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What he fails to understand is that:

Blood Elves

  • Refused to leave a Human City

Night Elves

  • Refused to leave their own city
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Jaina didn’t kill any innocents there, she teleported them to the violet hold, that’s what she’s doing when she is walking around. This was after she told Aethas to leave when she found the sunreavers (a political organization) used Dalaran to get a superweapon to a madman who just used a mana bomb with the focusing Iris. A sunreaver also helped build the mana bomb that destroyed Theramore. There was no genocide.

Having horde influence in the city after the Sunreavers used Dalaran to get Garrosh another superweapon was not going to happen. If the sunreavers didn’t betray her she was fine with them being there, as seen when Varian asked her to remove them from Dalaran and she refused.

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Yeah most Blood Elf enthusiasts ignore that she refused the leader of the Alliance but only remember that she took out her anger once she found her neutral city was used for Horde

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