I'm so tired of pre-mades

That’s true, but there was not context to pull from. You just made a vague statement. Its not a crime to ask for an explanation.

This was the context, hence why that’s the post I replied to.

I never said it was. I just pointed out it wasn’t needed because of context.

I inferred what they ment if that counts

No, no you are not. :clown_face:

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I mean if we’re talking about paying attention, no one claimed that cross faction would completely fix sync queue premades. What was actually said is that it would make them harder to pull off:

Which is true. Cross faction queueing would make it a lot harder to sync, especially in epic BGs which are 40v40. Half the synced group could easily end up on the opposite team. And if they decided to throw the match, that becomes clear sabotage and something people could report and actually get actioned for.

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hence why cross faction won’t do anything… as I said. Bans are the only way. Thanks for proving my point.

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Talk about context…you smooshed together two different responses from two separate conversations. :poop:

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And yet the point still remains. :clown_face:

Apes… win war.

It is true that a shrewdness of apes is a powerful force but they’d all probably lose to a single elephant cause the elephant has more girth.

As petty as the people doing this are, I’m sure they’d try throwing at first, no doubt. But it wouldn’t be sustainable, they’d get bored of throwing games pretty fast and either fall back in line or quit. And the players who stopped queueing epics would eventually come back (hopefully), making it even harder for them to cheat the system again.

Bans or…one grouped party allowed per team per instance. Then Blizzard doesn’t lose revenue unless queue syncers quit when queue syncing stops being possible.

Blizzard would get players back if they fixed pvp. The sync exploiters won’t stop until it’s impossible for them to do what they do. So just cut out the middleman and ban them. If they couldn’t exploit to win, they wouldn’t play anyways.

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I support doing both, bans for known cheaters and making the queue syning not possible(unless they are so determined they would queue sync one 5 man team and however many individual queued players trying to still get in the same instance.)

Here’s the thing to consider about making it harder to queue sync. It’s not just about preventing it, it’s also about making it less attractive to do.
The harder it is to do, the less people will want to do it. That has the intended effect of there being less of a chance of having a queue sync premade in any given match, improving overall match quality for everyone else.

And actually premades could already be “cross faction” through merc mode or just using characters of the other faction, so it’s not like if a premade group wants to purposefully throw a match they couldn’t do that right now anyway.
But making it cross faction makes it much harder to get all your team on the same side in a match. Especially if you add in some role and group balancing as well (so each side would have an equal number of healers, tanks, and groups).

In fact if you added in group balancing, it would almost guarantee that any queue sync premade that queues in groups of 5 would end up split 50/50 between both teams. And then it would be on Blizzard to ban those who consistently throw matches.

And this might be a controversial take, but if a premade community has half their team on Horde and half on Alliance and they actually play a good match against themselves with both sides trying their hardest to win, I think that is a better outcome than a premade who crushes PUGs all day.

Of course we know most premade communities will start throwing games or just stop altogether.

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Syncing would simply be dead on arrival. This idea that people would queue with the intention to make themselves lose depending on which side they got on is incredibly farfetched. That would never last cause people wouldn’t want to waste their time in a game trying to lose.

The other issue with that strange idea is that it would be rather easy to report people and stuff like that eventually gets actioned. A miserably gameplay experience that risks your account. I’d wager that sync sabotague would be close enough to nonexistent as to be irrelevant.

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You would be surprised what they would do to stroke their ego.

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Sounds like a win win then.
Add a 30v30 raid queue for epic battlegrounds so those who wish to premade can still do so against other premades without having to use wargames and I think that would be good.

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They dodge each other they don’t want fair fights.

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Unfortunately this bracket would probs be pretty dead since almost none of them want an actual fair game lol.

Either way, I’m all for cross faction bgs as something has to be done to make it harder or impossible to do. It’s degenerate behavior plain and simple.

I mean hey, if it’s a dead bracket then it’s a dead bracket.

It wouldn’t even need to take up a page on the battleground window. It could literally be as simple as if you try to queue for epic battlegrounds as a raid without 30 players, the game will tell you “You may only queue for this mode solo, in a party of up to 5, or in a raid of exactly 30 players”, and if you have 30 players it puts you into the 30v30 queue.

So apart from the backend work of making it happen on Blizzard’s end, I don’t see any downside to adding it in even if it’s never used.

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