it is not a stylistic choice. but i would be down with it being included if it were. if the outcomes of using the systems were within a margin of error for efficiency in /played for gear and badges per hour
if youre not socializing in pugs, that says more about you than the system.
The lack of RDF is why I switched from healer to DPS. I might as well play a class that can do stuff solo in the world since dungeons wonât be worth the trouble.
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this is also a huge problem!
I am in favor of dumbing down the benefits of RDF, however, I am curious why you are so concerned around someone else gaining an efficiency edge on you. Why is it so important that someone could possibly get badges faster than you?
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I donât understand, are we talking about the same thing? RDF as in WOTLK has 3 significant efficiency advantages that absolutely require interaction with the tool in some way.
Iâm pro RDF I just donât think these advantages are necessary. I think they can either be taken out of RDF or added to the baseline game that anyone can access regardless of how they are forming their dungeon groups.
If you think these advantages are necessary or beneficial, Iâd like to know why. If you are just communicating that you prefer the group formation style that RDF provides, then I agree, I prefer that too.
But the people that donât agree with us are people too and there should be an effort made to ensure their stylistic preferences are competitive whenever possible.
because thats they way a large portion of the playerbase plays this game, to parse, get top 10 server speed runs, etc. and while we can give up alot of efficiency in the name of experience (like i personally do NOT run gdkps because i dont enjoy them even tho id do alot better with the more gold it would afford) the level of efficiency rdf provides at the beginning of the expac i wouldnt be able to overlook.
Are you new to WoW. There are people in this game who will be upset with how you play the game.
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I do! I started putting in in every group I go toâŠits the only communication that happens but we are socializing now!
The margin (gulf) between forming your 5 man and running everything with a tight knit group that like an arena team knows ahead of time to be on at 6 and spam dungeons till 10 and RFD isnt large.
The gulf between logging and trying to form that group on the fly, to reform after one or more leave each dungeon is massive.
Thats the whole point that made wotlk more casual freindly and popular. Its also what I see behind every anti RDF post. It kills your tight knit groups ability to maintain an advantage over casuals that have to spend an hour forming a group for each 15min Hc Run⊠&#^@ off and put RDF in the game. Iâll even take it as late as ICC but would prefer Ulduar as an alt freindly catch up if not just at Launch.
Assuming we wont have a year content drought this time aroundâŠ
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I am set, we have 5 people in my guild that will dungeon spam all the way to 80 together with 0 pugs allowed!
so it is large. you dont get to diminish how we feel about a gulf of that magnatude. i run alot of things with pugs AND tight knit groups. i enjoy both experiences. but like i said it will be an order of magnatude larger than even the convenience of gdkps. it will become the defualt way to run a dungeon and everyone knows that. if i wanted to get 5 friends and queu into a teleporter id go play final fantasy and have objectively a better game.
The anti-RDF people donât have compelling arguments and just fall back on âha, Blizzard currently agrees with me and disagrees with you, get bentâ more often than not. Adding a tool some people will use because itâs better than the current system and others wonât use because theyâd rather not be convenienced is a lot better than just not adding the tool and making everyone play the same.
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As do I. We are the anti social anti pug problemâŠwe the players.
So just put RFD in so when that initial in guild rush at launch is over and they start raid logging their mains and cba with alts I can do it all again with a fresh alt and quickly find a couple pugs to carry.
no just pro rdf people fall back on âYOU DONT HAVE AN ARGUEMENTâ gaslighting, and âDONT USE THE SYSTEM 5head PLAY AT A DISADVANTAGEâ and the easiest way to stop you is to point out that blizzard wouldnt acknowledge a problem that didnt exist.
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Pipe down lmao
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Not new, just trying to understand otherâs mindsets. Iâve long given up on caring how far ahead of me others are. I donât have the same free time others have anymore between my job, family, and significant other so I accept that many others will be ahead.
Nyseine - Not implying others should feel the same as me 
I donât have any issue with that. Circling back the discussion started because of the âif you donât like it donât use itâ premise you offered. Iâm just saying that logic only begins to apply if the two options are competitive with one another.
The sense Iâm getting is people seem to be fine with shipping RDF without the extra incentives, and itâs the RDF playstyle that people are really after. Not the efficiency bonuses that playstyle happened to ship with.
oh i generally dont have much of an issue with you youre one of the few people who engage with others in good faith and look for the root cause of what might be best for the game
We took this stance because Blizzard decided to remove a great tool from the game. Now we just wonât be bothered with outsiders. I did what the anti-RDFâs wanted me to do and I found a guild! My gatherer alts are DPS and I will level them solely on questing to 77 to get cold weather flying. I refuse to do anymore dungeons than I have to for pre-raid BIS and then I wonât do them anymore until RDF is in the game. I understand as a DPS this probably means nothing but whatever.
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