They do. It’s MMR.
If you win a few games in a row, your hidden MMR spikes and you’ll start facing higher teams pretty quickly. Even some of the best players still have close to a 50:50 win/loss.
Aren’t you the guy that complained for months to get Blizzard to make rating tanking against the rules back in MoP?
Pretty damn sure you were.
Now literally everyone and their mother can see gladiators in the 1400-2k brackets doing carries is a huge problem and you pretend it isn’t.
Weird.
Youre just shifting your arena experience onto those in lower brackets, cause “you need a break?”. Then play an alt with gear appropriate to that bracket. Don’t ruin it for others just cuz you’re tired of “metaslaves”.
Besides rogues are pretty meta in 2’s.
Why do you guys think carries are bad? I truly dont understand? In 2s its literally a 2v1, in 3s its even easier to win honestly.
However I did see drainer sell a selfplay r1 boost in 3s lol
The ilvl gap in PVP gear is the issue.
Someone in 225 gear can 2V1 people in 200 gear with minimal help from their under geared partner
The gear discrepancy does two things: incentivizes people to pay for carries, and makes carries easier to do.
We need to return to PVP gear that is relatively easy to obtain and close in ilvl. In order to to that, PVP gear needs to be separated from PVE again.
nah if you’re 200 you’ll be fine. There’s some disadvantage but its not unwinnable
Dude. First off, we were literally just talking about this 4 days ago so obviously you read that thread… Second, I wasn’t complaining about it for months and I also wasn’t the only one frustrated by it. It just happened that the thread I made blew up and eventually got a blue response… Don’t act like this was something I did. The players tanking could join a match and instantly leave and didn’t even need to wait to queue.
It was a very different issues. Players could tank a 1000 rating in a very short time and they would farm sub 1k players. This caused a lot of deflation at the very lowest end of the bracket. It wasn’t even about carries, it was about capping.
I’m not pretending it doesn’t happen. I’m simply saying it’s not happening as often as players say. That’s it. I did 30 games this week on my alt warrior and didn’t run into a single team that I could summarize was a carry. I can’t think of this being the case on any of my toons. Yet people act like it’s every game.
So what is it? 10% of the games? 20%? 50%? How about you tell me how many games you think it is. Give me an honest answer.
You and other people complaining make it seem like you run into carries nearly every single game, why don’t I encounter them? I see maybe 1 potential carry in 15 games at most and it’s usually a free win because the carry is almost always undergeared or very bad.
I also wonder how many times people lose and instead of having a healthy reaction that maybe they’re just better than you or you played poorly they immediately jump to the conclusion that it’s a carry and that’s why they lost.
I know people don’t like hearing this because it’s true, if you’re stuck at a certain rating that’s most likely where you belong and it’s not because of some mythical evil carry monster ruining your games.
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No one said unwinnable.
Have you played games with an entire team at 200 and the other team at 220?
How would the game be worse if the gap was much smaller (like it was when PVP gear was a thing)?
Yeah, I got to 1500 with an rdruid who was 198. The games were hard and sometimes we autolost against venthyr war hpal who were both 210~215 (I’m kyrian) and it happens.
I made the push to rival on my priest and paladin midseason to 1800 and they’re both comfortably geared, and I feel its possible for me to push to challenger and rival respectively. It’ll be an uphill battle but thats what happens when you mess around an alt mid-late season.
Also, to try to make my (attempted) point clearer, I mostly wanted to say that you can get challenger with combatant gear and rival with challenger gear in contrast to:
Obviously I’d like some form of equalized gear, but ay gotta sell them WoW tokens. Qing games at 180 was painful, but 200 definitely feels ok to q with to push challenger. (sorry if I reiterated points I’m half asleep)
I didn’t, I just very clearly remember you making like 30 posts about people tanking rating and how unfair it was.
A 3k 3’s player can sit at 1800 cr and queue at 1500 mmr with a 1200 partner all day long and switch partners to keep their rating artificially low, I mentioned in another thread just before snuts is literally queueing at 1400 mmr on his fully geared main rogue.
Literally 1/3 games at 1600+ has a current duelist+ player in it, if not a current glad and at 1800-2k it’s extremely rare to get a queue session without at least 50% glad teams.
Trying to gear an alt with friends or lfg players and all I get current elite geared players, glads, rank 1’s and streamers carrying viewers.
It’s trash.
thats exactly whats happening most of the time, is just their alt so if somehow you get a game vs them over 1.8k mmr would be a shame that you lose 2v1, for that mmr you should at least know how to rotate some cds and know how to cc.
So I’m stuck right now in the 1800 rat league. Do I run into some carries sure, are they unbeatable??? Absolutely not. Ive ran into pika a few times and won a few. It’s exciting to win vs a name that you know and that you know 100% is a carry.
I don’t see the amount of carries in 2s at this rating that people are saying however.
You did, as no one has made mention of that in literally years… And no, I didn’t make 30 posts about it. I was 2200 months before I even made the post and the issue wasn’t affecting my gameplay.
No they can’t. You can’t just keep playing 1200 players and keep winning without your hidden MMR sky rocketing.
Nope. I have done 100’s of games this season and haven’t seen the same. Either offer proof or quit lying. Did 30 games this last week on my alt warrior and didn’t run into a single team I could say was a carry.
If they are in the same MMR range, they belong there just like you. Carries are usually free wins anyways…
i’m fine, thanks though
i want to play this game but all we are running into now is just boosters the health and damage difference is infuriating. we have been rank gated and deranked by about 120 (from 1300 down to 1179) in a single night because almost every group we face has one. groups should be paired based on the highest item level player’s gear in that group, it’ll stop this insane practice and get great players out of lower ranks because they shouldn’t be there.
that’s how i feel as being a lower xp player i love facing better players plus i can see how higher xp and better players manage cool downs and position
maybe stick with your main and don’t fotm reroll and boost a character everytime skillcapped posts a new video and you wont have gearing issues
Make item level scale down to one tier higher than the lowest cr in the queue.
Have 226 item and playing with a sub 1400? Fine, your 226 piece is now a 207.
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