You didn’t make an arugment to the solution I proposed.
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I afk’d 0 to exalted in 3 days on alliance, was great. Now my horde toon on the other hand was still leveling. Now hes 60 and 30min queues for av so I’m not doing it. Meh
@Evade I have looked for the discord groups but can’t find any listed. I only have 10 days playtime so am catching up but should have my epic mount this week, gold farm pending.
Not sure how to join.
Which is ironic because Horde always goes for heals first regardless of mount speed and Alliance just keeps running with no thought for protecting their healers.
It’s almost easier for Alliance heals to stay in spirit form and just wait at FWGY for the cap. If Alliance doesn’t cap it then it’s their own fault for not protecting their healers.
It’ll all be over soon.
Just try hard to get through one or two a night.
Soon we’ll all be exalted then we never have to go back.
Just keep trying.
well it was a good start coming here. Now you just need to provoke the attention of blizzard in how the honest player is getting screwed out of an enjoyable experience.
I AFK when I play this game. That’s how you play it!
A number of matches are pretty horrible but I have noticed that typically at least half the alliance know that after some time battling horde in the middle (horde definitely want to get HKs, understandably so and it is a battleground!) , that most horde will move N. The alliance interested in getting the most out of the match will then be able to move S and get LTs, etc.
Been in with a number of premades and usually that is a standard win that takes less than 20 minutes (now it is not Drek rush (usually) but LTs, tower caps, send some back to slow horde as needed… etc.). This is usually alliance smashing horde (not always, been in some pretty great close matches). It works because the premade can beat horde in pvp. With horde defending now, that is what has to happen if you want to win ‘quickly’. Premades stay together, have heals, etc., so they usually roll over opposing horde which are often a PUG because of Q times.
Ok, alliance issues that exacerbate PUG issues:
- bots, definitely see bots (some are amazingly active and engage the enemy, especially the late night ones, they move in patterns and sometimes ‘break’ and just stand there until killed). I have always been in favor of a captcha test for bots (get reported some # of time, get a captcha test)
- AFKers. I don’t really blame them but then, they also are why it sucks. You have to report AFKers.
- Lack of healers. No fix for this, it is what it is. I sometimes see shadow priests or feral druids switch to healing when the alliance side is PvPing well. So, try to stay together and fight well together. Wait to move, mana up, etc. It is definitely more enjoyable when an alliance PUG does that.
- More 50s than horde. This is because of insta Qs and no fixing it. 50s can do fine but with horde being motivated from longer Q times, 60s will simply (on average) out perform 50s.
- General lack of understanding by many Alliance when to pvp and when to move past, and lack of AV mechanics understanding. Can’t tell you how many times 10+ will ride past 2 horde, who pick off 2 alliance… don’t do it! You stop and kill fast and move on! Horde away from you, ride on! Horde actively engaging you ALL fight! The massive amount of deaths alliance side (it is staggering some matches), allows for so many AV upgrades for the horde in a short time. Like war riders, such a pain (kill the wing commanders!).
There’s other issues but that is enough of a comment on this.
Ok, so what can Blizzard really do about this? Not much, to be honest. Many of the issues exist because of the players. But will suggest some simple ones:
- they could make 2 AVs, 1 for fast mounts and 1 for slow. In the ‘slow AV’, even if you have a fast mount you can’t use. It would be interesting to see how this played out. I very much doubt they would do this. So don’t freak out.
- Not allow a match to start until both sides are reasonable ‘full’. This would add, from my experience, at most 2 minutes to a match. Could maybe cap wait time at 4 minutes. This they should do.
One thing I have always wanted is for matches to be setup based on PvP Ranks (like they try and fill to get average ranks between sides around the same). It can be done pretty well, even a modest attempt would make matches more fair. It would mean horde would sometimes get bumped later or bumped earlier, but could easily limit that to some ‘Q window’ so that this algorithm only looks at say the next 200 horde in the Q (alliance as well) (and if looked over twice you get into the next AV no matter what, and on average you would still have the same wait time as you do now). Would probably make discord premades impossible, or difficult.
I don’t expect anything. I am pretty certain that Blizzard wants to do next to no development on WoW Classic and ultimately wants everyone back playing retail. I consider that a mistake, many non-retail playing players returned and they obviously left before because they did not like thee direction WoW went in the past. This is a chance to capture a separate MMO chunk of players… but all signs/actions point to ‘not interested’ by Blizzard.
I’ll msg you the discord when I get home from work
Trust me penny, when you get into the discord group, you’ll feel much better. Everyone works to win. You won’t win every game but every game you do play will be fun
Eh, just get your epic mount.
You can’t be having fun getting run down every game and never making it past midfield.
I agree there is a 2 class system. 1 class wants to win and do as best as they can, and the other class wants to afk or fish while getting whatever meager honor they can get before they are reported out of the game.
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You can’t expect protection from the group if your lagging behind on your slow mount.
Prioritize your epic mount and then get in there - healers are very welcome and if you stay with the group you’ll surely get peels!
Forcing high achieving pvpers to carry pugs that don’t listen or have any interest in winning is not an enjoyable experience for the honest player.
Getting rid of alliance ability to join discord’s will simply kill AV and double or triple horde queue times.
no. that’s weeks worth of playing the game.
leave your bs at the door. you suck at pvp and want to be carried through av when you have the distinct advantage. GTFO with your low effort attitude killing the game for people trying to play
People trying to play are more than welcome to join us
only if they have epic mounts and gear or are rank 9. please shut up
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What you don’t seem to get is that your premades are making things way worse.
Horde do just fine with a bg made up of pugs, alliance would as well if the premades were eliminated.
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Lmao requirements for a regular bg. The premades that have like 35 people in there with 5 pugs should just deal with it and not kick and bully people. Get the bg done and try again next game to get all 40. This isnt retail rated games.
This kinda premade mentality is disgraceful.
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