I...I like Vulpera now

No, I’m using something called critical thinking and logic and reasoning to explain why you’re wrong.

If outside forces influencing the rise of life causes that life to be labelled, ‘alien,’ then the only native life to Azeroth is strictly elementals and nothing else. Ergo, none of your, ‘native races,’ (trolls, tauren, and vulpera) are native at all.

Conversely, if life being created on, or rising from the environment is considered, ‘native,’ to Azeroth, then every race to be born on it is native, including humans, dwarves, and gnomes.

It’s not a gotcha. It’s applying the criteria equally. It falls apart when you fail to explain just where humans, dwarves, and gnomes come from because there is only one answer: Azeroth.

Vulpera not to bad. I dig the Romani nudges. A bit too on the nose, but a cheeky whimsy about it so it cool. My grandma would throw an absolute fit over it… should email her a picture of a Vulpera in their heritage mog just so she can call me for a change… despite it being a barrage of swearing, I wont have to deal with international charges lol.

Also, why the Classic Orc switch to the lvl 10 VE? Too much damn shadow puppeting happening these days lol.

You’ve used none of these things the entire discussion.

You quoted the damn cosmological chart at me while being wrong about it.

The titan construct races were not on Azeroth prior to the Titans arrival, hence they are not natives to Azeroth, full stop.

The titans created them as constructs, and old god timey whimey corruption made them flesh, but as above, they were not there before the titans got there, and hence are not natives.

Wild gods however, per chronicles page 14, and in game sources, are primal manifestations of life and nature found on Azeroth and other planets, for example Aliothe who was a wild god from another world that can be spoken to in game

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And no race was on Azeroth prior to the Old God’s arrival, save for the Elementals.

Ergo, no race except for the elementals are native to Azeroth.

And what source do you have to claim that, as per Chronicles, they are primal manifestations of life and nature inhabiting Azeroth and other worlds, to direct quote:

The Wild Gods are primal manifestations of life and nature. They are creatures of two realms. The Wild Gods inhabit the physical world of Azeroth, but their spirits are bound to the ethereal Emerald Dream. Many Wild Gods appear in the form of gargantuan animals, such as wolves, bears, tigers, or birds.

BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT. World of Warcraft: Chronicle Volume 1 (p. 24). Dark Horse Comics

And for other worlds, the bear Aliothe in game, posted also above:

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Azeroth

As the titan Pantheon traveled the cosmos, ordering worlds and searching for additional titans, a miraculous new world, which would later become known as Azeroth, was taking form in a distant corner of the Great Dark.[4] Forged by primordial infernos,[5][6] the world hosted a nascent titan who stirred to life within its core.[4] As this world-soul developed, she[7] drew in and consumed much of the fifth element, Spirit, causing Azeroth's native elementals to grow increasingly erratic and chaotic. The four Elemental Lords — the ruthlessly cunning Al'Akir the Windlord, the brutish Ragnaros the Firelord, the protective Therazane the Stonemother and the wise Neptulon the Tidehunter — reveled in strife, constantly clashing with each other and keeping the world in constant flux during the elemental wars. One day, however, the Old Gods arrived, plummeting down from the Great Dark and embedding themselves in the world's surface. With the aid of their servants, the aqir and the n'raqi, the eldritch horrors established the Black Empire, and though the Elemental Lords attempted to extinguish what they saw as a threat to their dominion, the elementals were eventually enslaved.[4]

Aren’t they great? :dracthyr_heart:

Which says nothing whatsoever about what may have been native other than elementals, that is just the only thing specifically mentioned, it does not say at any point ‘the only natives’, just that consuming spirit angered the native elementals.

Unlike my direct quote from Chronicles that explicitly states they are primal manifestations on Azeroth.

The Well accelerated the cycles of growth and rebirth, and soon intelligent races evolved from the land’s primitive life forms. The [trolls] were among the first and most prolific. Though the various troll tribes varied greatly in culture and traditions, they all shared a common religion centered around the elusive [Wild Gods], or “[loa]”, mysterious and powerful beings that originated from Azeroth itself.

From the same page, by the way.

Hah, even their reference material lists the wild gods as native, that is great.

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It also has a comprehensive list of the species here and their origins, very clearly separating Wild God origin from Titan origin, though it does blanket them all under Native. Which in the context of that page is fair, it’s not trying to split hairs of heritage rights like I am.

What, the Wild Gods?

https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Wild_God

As the titan-forged began shaping Azeroth, Keeper Freya wandered the world, creating enclaves of life and nature in the places where the energies of the Well of Eternity had coalesced, such as Un'Goro Crater, Sholazar Basin and the Vale of Eternal Blossoms. The greatest creatures to emerge from Freya's enclaves were the colossal Wild Gods.

There ya go. Titans Ordered Azeroth, and Wild Gods finally started emerging. Azeroth’s Wild Gods did not form without the intervention of the Titans. Maybe it was a matter of time? No lore suggests such a thing.

Regardless, it’s right there. Azeroth’s Wild Gods rose from Keeper Freya’s enclaves of life and nature.

Vulpera monks are awesome. In my opinion, the small races play as monks better than bulky ones like tauren. It just makes more sense.

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In other words, Trolls didn’t exist until AFTER the Titans ordered Azeroth, and largely as a product of the Well of Eternity’s influence.

So, again, not native.

Similarly just accelerated by the Well, in your very quote, not created by the Titans. I remind; Draenor.

True, but there’s no evidence to suggest that life would have ever come to be had the Titans not ordered the planet, either. We known Azeroth originally was dominated by the Elementals, with no mention of other forms of life. Then came the Old Gods which changed everything.

In short, there is no evidence that life would have arisen naturally from the state Azeroth was in before outside forces intervened.

You mean the world without a world soul where the elementals and spore mounds gorged on the element of spirit and would have plunged the planet into a lifeless state?

Yes, because Azeroth and Draenor are even remotely comparable in this regard.

I’ve mentioned that evidence twice now. Draenor.

A world that cannot be compared to Azeroth due to the lack of a World Soul affecting it’s evolutionary state in a wildly different way.

But it does have what are essentially Wild Gods. With no Well of Eternity.

Notably, since you like the cosmology chart, they’re produced by the Spirit element. Which is crucial to Azeroth’s life as well.