I agree with this. I would rather call raid for the night and give everyone the night off than bring in pugs.
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Depends on the type of “AotC guild.”
There’s guilds that have AotC as their main priority (that is what the guild is all about, heroic prog)
Or there’s guilds like mine, a general (pretty close-knit) PvE community that happens to get AotC most tiers.
The first, benching people as you describe is appropriate and expected.
The latter, the community and the people that comprise it come first.
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I’m guessing you never did Mythic Argus? 
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So, last weekend, I helped a group get AOTC, some friends of a friend. they’re an AOTC group that usually takes while to get it, this tier was hard for them - as it was for all of us.
They may not play the best, they may have people who make consistent mistakes, they may take longer than you did to kill a boss…
but they have a great community, and they have fun raiding together.
When I retire from mythic raiding? that’s the kind of group I want to land in. Not one that shoves out people because they are struggling on a heroic boss where no one is competing for anything.
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Anyway, depends on the group, but I get where the OP is coming from.
If you have 20 people in the team, and 1 person is single-handedly wiping the team over and over and over again… you’re just gonna end up with 18 other frustrated people.
Like I always tell people:
- Making mistakes is fine.
- During prog, making mistakes is expected.
- Making the exact same mistake 50 times in a row… that’s gone beyond a mistake, that’s a problem.
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Typical elitist player, too important to wipe 100 times. Trying to gatekeep people from wiping raids. 
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Anyone is free to leave the guild if they so wish. I think this is a perfectly normal situation for many guilds. Groups of people that have been together for years and enjoy doing things together is much more important than if you get that one achievement this time around. Players are free to seek pugs to achieve AotC during non guild raid times even if they so wish. I love guilds who stick together rather than kicking people to the curb.
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Yeah, get out of here you casual scum, how dare you make me do this 100 times, of all the nerve.
lol this attitude is why I skipped raiding this expansion. Over tuned raids with no lifer players equal not a fun time. Blizzard designed these raids for wannabe esport champion folks and it ran off the player base. I now play ESO, pre-ordered Midnight Suns, etc. Drangon wow expac doesn’t look better than those games now. Respect folks time, it’s not happening in this game.
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My Mom won’t let me use her credit card to buy a carry. 
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Most AOTC oriented groups have a mix of:
-Tryhard heroic players who always brag how good they are and could easily join a top 500 mythic guild(1-3 people) <–this was me
-Low level mythic players hoping one day they can get into mythic prog (2-4 people)
-a slew of average players capable of getting AOTC in a reasonable amount of time (8-10 people)
-Below average players who will learn mechanics a bit slower, perform below average but give it their all (1-3 people)
-People who don’t know what a rotation is, what an interrupt or defense is and walks off edges and will never understand mechanics (1-2 people)
These bottom 2 are the people I am referencing
I’m probably close to one of the people that the OP is talking about, not because I’m a horrible player per se, average i guess, but since i currently play using cellphone data, my reaction times can be pretty horrific.
When we get to tough bosses or overly complex ones early in the tier, i always offer to step out, sometimes they take me up on the offer and have me skip certain bosses until they’re more confidently farming them but other times they insist i stay. Most of the time when the weak links are still getting invited, it’s because of the bonds they have with other people in the run, they’d rather have your company and there be an extra death here or there than cut anyone that can’t perform optimally and have a super smooth but socially stale run.
OP, it sounds like you should just run with more serious raiders and steer clear of the family/friendly type guilds.
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Just to be clear, I am a freelance player, I spend most of my time helping guilds.
Here’s the problem with your logic, and it’s something I don’t necessarily disagree with;
You’re assuming every AOTC guild wants to succeed because they fix a problem immediately and can push past that. A lot of guilds that get, and can get, AOTC are actually just some 9-5 guys who want to chill and have fun a few times a week. Heroic isn’t a terribly hard difficulty for raids, never has been, but not everyone wants to leave their friends behind.
At the end of the day, people value achieving something with those friends, rather than achieving it because they replaced the bad. If you’re looking for a guild that wants to succeed because everyone is improving 24/7, then you should be looking towards Mythic guilds or CE guilds.
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Most definitely.
But there are a lot of AOTC guilds that are coming down to the wire on Jailer because Blizzard chopped 3 months off the tier length.
Which is just Blizzard putting everyone in a super crappy position that they haven’t had to deal with before on the last raid of an expansion.
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Not trying to be mean, but that just sounds like an exercise in frustration for someone that holds your beliefs, perhaps the ego stroking part is too hard to resist though.
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I guess you didn’t read any of my post. I am a freelance player that joins guild pugs and help them get their aotc’s. I don’t have time/schedule to do much mythic prog.
Sure, but who gets to say that those guilds have to do something optimally if it means leaving their friends behind.
If you’re pushing for CE, or just in general full clearing mythic, you need people to hit checkpoints in mechanics, DPS, etc… People don’t do heroic to have a super intense raiding experience.
I read everything, that literally has 0 impact on what I said.
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Definitely not me. But if people expected the usual 8+ months to get AOTC, and planned out the tier accordingly, and then had a SURPRISE! sprung on them at the last minute by Blizzard… I can understand some people being frustrated that they weren’t getting something they’re used to getting every expansion – and not through any fault of their own.
I would wager that also being that some of the current raid fights are the most abysmally designed fights I’ve seen in a while for casuals
And we had SoD
It’s not like those guilds are complaining about not getting AOTC, whether it’s their fault or blizzard’s fault. I’d wager prob 95% of them are all like “Good try guys, we’ll get it next tier!”