I honestly believe you are dense. No one said these people are just AFK in val… you made that assumption and heavily lean on this for your argument. You and one other person are the first ones there, why would you not just take the 10 seconds to summon the rest. Portals may be down or theyre 2 minutes out. It makes 0 sense.
It is unfortunate but people have become more selfish… sad but true statement.
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No, if people are AFK in Valdrakken and not coming, they get kicked, not summoned.
My stance is that it is SO FAST to get to dungeons on your own that summons aren’t required and leaving a group because people didn’t use the stone wastes your own time more than it does the group’s time.
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I can respect this because your intent is the same as mine, just on the other side of the coin.
Edit: The part that irritates me is when people are not talking about kicking them, they’re talking about just sitting there refusing to summon until they fly
Yes this is true, however I attempt to summon anyone not already at the dungeon because it is in my self interest to start the dungeon as soon as possible, as opposed to waiting for the selfish person to realize they aren’t getting a summon.
Would it be great if people weren’t selfish? Yes of course.
Am I going to shoot myself in the foot to “teach them a lesson”? No.
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Blizz should move the stones inside the instances so things like war mode aren’t a problem. I usually find a lot more lazy people waiting in valdrakken than people that won’t help summon. When the group fills, everyone should start flying to the dungeon. Too many people sit around expecting summons.
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Agree with this… summoning to Dawn is a problem even beyond Warmode
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in a world where most of the dungeons are no more than 20 seconds from the portal there’s really no excuse to sit around valdrakken waiting for a summon other than sheer laziness.
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Yes this point has been made a lot in this thread, but… what would you call refusing to click a portal?
since it’s a matter of seconds for everyone to get there, that part wouldn’t bother me
If Blizzard gets rid of the stupid phasing around summoning stones, or if all the instances are not an automatic teleport OR 10sec of dragonriding away from the capital, then I’m totally with you.
If you joined a group and demand a summons because you were too busy to fly there like everyone else…
You’re replaceable.
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Last questions before I head off because the clown is boring now and this thread is more of a successful bait thread than anything at this point.
When you are at the stone, trying to summon people on your own because you state that you know who will take the longest to get there, who is asking for summons before the first person even gets there or as soon as they join?
If they join and immediately ask for a summon, why?
In the case that no one asked for a summon, do you think that, perhaps, members of the party are not clairvoyant in knowing that you are trying to summon someone else?
In many cases where people would be doing summons at dungeons is when either the group was already there and just waiting for a last person or when someone makes a mistake such as oopsing over to Atal’Dazar when they needed to go to Throne and at that point they are usually asking for the summon.
Most of what you have explained was a group formed, and several people in said group flew to the dungeon which is, in most cases, the best sign as everyone was ready to go where only the stragglers could be seen as the problem unless it was the matter of longer load screens going from Val to the Portal room through the Portal then Dragonriding over to the instance in <20 seconds (with +1 loading screen for Throne).
I agree it’s better to help summons than not.
I just get more annoyed at the people who can’t be bothered to even get there.
I see it as 3 categories, not 2, with the ones who fly but don’t help summon in the midddle.
You’re speaking as if everyone is actually on their way. It’s pretty rare that there isn’t at least one person in Valdrakken. It’s potentially a matter of seconds, but in reality it’s usually not.
Instead of trying to analyze every single possible point you can imagine, why not just understand the summoner is doing their best to see where people are in the party and trying to get them there to save everyone time? This really isn’t that complicated of a topic… click the portal. If you summon yourself your day will still be fine. It’s quite shocking the lengths you will go to, to justify being unhelpful.
I’m analyzing because the group expectation in M+ for every run I have been in has been:
Everyone flies or portals to the dungeon.
If someone doesn’t show up inside the instance, that is when people ask, “Are you coming?”
Either replacements or summoning is decided at that point depending on circumstance.
Rarely is there a psychic summoner outside who knows who will take the longest, who’s portal is on CD, who’s hearthstone is on CD, who’s on a load screen or is otherwise actively on their way.
Just trying to rationalize why you’d leave a group because people were not reading your mind.
This is clowning if anything is.
- Look who is in Valdrakken
- Look who is in Timeways
- Look who is already in the zone or in the dungeon
- Summon the most logical choice
Is it right every time? No sometimes people are mid teleport, but give me a break it’s not that hard to make a good guess.
Also why are you on about reading my mind? I say “at stone” and “click please” and I have an active portal. Do I also need to stomp on feet and wave a red flag?
When I help summon I do it because I want to be nice and help. I bring myself to the instance usually. Summons supports lazy behavior, I don’t.
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When I join a group, the first thing I do is get to the instance. Typically me and a tank join together and we are the first to the instance 90% of the time. Meanwhile the DPS are in Valdrakken waiting for a summon. Even for TOTT, its literally 10 seconds to get to, and people still want to be summoned.
DPS complain constantly about how hard it is to get into groups, and then are the least prepared. Food buff? Only if I drop a banquet. Flask? that costs gold. Get to the instance? Nah, don’t have time.
Now when its my key, I’ll invite. If I see no effort to get to the instance, I kick and replace. DPS are a dime a dozen. Once we’re in the instance, no food buff? no flask? Again, I kick and replace. Why should i spend MY gold so you can have a food buff? Why should I be the only that comes prepared to actually run the key? And DPS wonder why they don’t get invites or get removed from group…
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Taking a stand against what you view as precursors to a potential bad experience. Yes this is exactly what I’m talking about.
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Which goes back to the crux of the problem, you’re guessing. Still didn’t say that people were asking for summons before you were trying to summon them.
When the common group expectation is that “everyone flies there” then in most cases, people don’t stop at the stone because it isn’t like Neltharion’s Lair where it was an actual trek to get to it, everything is easily accessible so the concept of stopping outside to summon is slower than everyone just flying themselves unless you have a warlock inside and you’re summoning inside the instance.
The part that is only mildly annoying is the soapbox, I’ve summoned people before and I’ve been summoned while I was 2 feet away or already inside the instance, it didn’t matter. The fact that you are trying to demonize the common behavior of pug groups you don’t agree with to the extent you’re leaving groups over it is baffling, more-so when angry about the players who are ready rather than the ones who aren’t.