Could’ve sworn M+ and Mythic raiding was the endgame content…
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Uh, I also provided free mats to them to help create some of their stuff. I actually used to just be a miner that funneled ore into our crafters. But I’m really not sure why you’re so hung up on all of that?
I’m really not sure what you’re trying to accomplish here in general since your original point has already been shot down.
It seems like you’re just lashing out at the fact other people are happy to just level one crafter instead of all of them. There’s absolutely zero need to be an omnicrafter unless you want to be one. But hey, if you want to throw a tantrum about the entire idea of cooperative efforts and the foundation of specialized labor, far be it from me to stop you from railing against reality. I’ve just been trying to let you know that it really undermines the idea that your opinions have any real weight to them.
Yeah it was definitely way worse back in the day. Enough so that leveling armorsmith was much more of a “it’ll happen when it happens” kind of thing for me (hence why I only used to mine). But the topic is “If WoW were setup like FFXIV”, not “If WoW were setup like FFXIV used to be”. 
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The point that you have to level all the profs unless you want to spend a lot of gil on mats you can’t make yourself still stands. I can amend it to include “being given free mats”, if that will make you feel better, but not everyone has your circumstances. Yeah, you can buy some mats from vendors, but most of them you can’t, and MB sellers know this. You can level them all at different times, sure, and carry around multiple sets of crafting gear because your level 20 wvr can’t wear your level 40 alc’s gear and your level 40 alc can’t craft your turn-ins in 20 gear, only your level 50 can wear that scrip gear, etc. Bonus points of bloat if you are trying for the achievements, particularly the one for crafting one of each of everything. But at least you can pay $$$$ for more inventory space!
I have no issue with people leveling up one profession. I have every issue with your response. You, who leveled up one profession with a lot of help that others may not have access to, decided since these issues never affected you, clearly they don’t affect anyone. The “counterargument” of “You don’t have to level everything! I was handed mats I couldn’t make!” did make me laugh, though. “I got a carry through a raid, let me tell you how easy raiding is!”
The fact that omnicrafting will make a player millions of gil daily, yet most avoid crafting like the plague, confirms it is a system that needs further improvement.
So I appreciate your concern, friend, I really do. But even Ishgard Restoration didn’t get you leveling the other profs, so it seems maybe there might be some sort of problem you have with the crafting system, too.
Yeah better but…still a slog. Its just less of one now.
You’ve completed one small part of it. You are limited on what you can do. Yes, you can get help from other, sure, but you’re gonna be leaning more on other vs. the other way around. There’s still a lot more to it, there’s a reason why people remember omnicrafter friends. The biggest cooperative crafting I’ve done was with a giant group create day one crafted gear with multiple FCs, or big FC project crafts, airships, subs…with other omnicrafters. Stocking up gardening trade in mats, scrip mats, beast tribe mats, etc etc etc.
I’ve been playing a little FFXIV. Crafting seems like a whole second game. I haven’t decided how far down the crafting rabbithole I’m going to go. I’m still in ARR content on a preferred server so getting everything to level 50 doesn’t seem like too much of a stretch. As you mention, the multiple gear sets are a big driver to omnicraft so I can just have one Hand and one Land set.
At this point, it’s just being efficient, at least if you need to craft more than one of the given item.
The actual interaction with the step by step RNG is insignificant these days. (Though, if it weren’t, you’d probably just see even more people botting instead of even bothering with the macros. If you think WoW has a bot-related economic problems…)
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You would play ME2 before ME1?
You monster.
Can we raise taxes on these types of people some how?
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/4days played and you’ll never have to do the Msq again. And then you can level any job in a day.
And you get a ton of credits and mogs from leveling. And a great story.
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who buys boosts on retail? you literaly can lvl a toon in a day
In Ffxiv changing job (class) is as simple as changing your weapon, and you can train every crafting/gathering skill on one char. This means you don’t really need ults, unless you RP or want to own another house or something. You can swap servers just by visiting one of the capital cities, eliminating another reason to make other characters.
The point I’m trying to make is- WoW forces you to do leveling in order to play the other classes or get the other professions, FFxiv does not, that’s important, it eliminates the main reason people make ults
I was an omnicrafter (all crafters at 50) in ARR. I don’t really remember it being that painful, but actually enjoyable. I also farmed out all of the mats that I could while never using the Market Board.
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There’s a difference though.
WoW is mostly about the endgame.
FFXIV’s endgame is non-existent (by comparison) and most of the appeal is the story.
I do agree people tend to leave this out when comparing them, though.
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i find ffxiv much more enjoyable than wow rn. i play wow mostly out of habit.
I think the big reason this works in FF14, but wouldn’t work so well in WoW is because in FF14 you can play all classes/jobs/professions on a single character, whereas in WoW you need to create and level an alt for each class you want to play.
Technically you can, but you are just visiting, and many features are disabled while you are not on your home realm. This includes retainers (Extra inventory and ability to post items to market board), player housing, linkshells, certain tournaments, Ceremony of Eternal Bonding, rare gathering nodes, etc.
I think from now on, any post that features Final Fantasy in the title will get an automatic Mute. I’m just a bit over the whole thing right now. If people like the game, go play it. Hell, I am probably off in a while to check out my old ESO characters. But I don’t come to this forum and tell everyone about it. Well, except now but y’know what i mean…
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Well, you know, except for the fact the thread was made by someone attacking FF14, not promoting it. Not exactly sure why someone would want to make a thread promoting the game OR bashing it while on the WoW forums. I just find it amusing that people that don’t seem to like it are only helping to promote it all the same lol.
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I’m sorry what? You have far more that 1/4 of the wow inventory space. If you’re going to talk about the faults of FFXIV you could at least not make things up at best or lie at worst.
You get 980 inventory slots from your base inventory, your armoury inventory, your chobo saddle bag, and your two free retainers. That does not include the 400 slots from your glam dresser or the basically infinite storage space in the armoire.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/812848365221445676/853866068963754034/FFXIV_Armoury_Chest.png
More basically lies. Yes some of the holiday rewards are only head pieces, but many if not most of the holiday rewards are full outfits and/or custom emotes for that years holiday.
Which they were, I mean did you even play WoD? You couldn’t craft any profession without the Garrison.
Oh so you’re comparing a not player housing system against FFXIVs player housing system. Don’t get me wrong, getting a house in FFXIV is a pain and definitely one of the flaws of the game. At least on high population servers, but it is not an apples to apples comparison with the WoD Garrison. Not even close.
Yes the beast tribes have daily quests. Just like most wow reputation since Wrath.
This is optional after the 1st time. No one is making you do the MSQ roulette. And you only can’t skip the cutscenes, because new players have to get through it and if you let veteran players skip the cutscenes by the time the new player finishes one or two the dungeon is basically over and they’ll have missed the whole thing.
You rarely even talk to said crystal let alone take orders from them.
what the fel are you on about?
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Did they recently changed that? When i was playing ff14 between 8.3 and shadowlands you had to boost each expansion. It even had the requirement of completed upto certain MSQs for each boost
Yes, I just checked the mogstation and buying the stormblood boost completes pretty much everything from A Realm Reborn through the end of Stormblood and allows you to start shadowbringers so long as your character is high enough level to proceed into the Shadowbringers story.
Now if you want to make the semantic argument if you were starting the game brand new and wanted to boost straight to Shadowbringers you’d also need to buy a job boost separately. Why they don’t have a bundle for that I don’t know. But it is what it is I suppose.
ff players are nowhere near critical enough of their game. Tons of crap over there would never ever fly in wow.
raid tiers of 4 bosses on square platforms that are all loaded in and out of seperately like COD lobbies that make onyxias lair look like high effort. Also constant copy paste of the same like 5 mechanics since the beginning of the game thrown at you differently every time. You won’t find anything like moving ghuun orbs or making sludgefist charge a pillar there, there is only stand out of aoe and get hit by aoe.
No useast servers, built in 500 ms batching (this is why you can’t just macro every 0gcd ability in a button and can only double weave despite spells being ‘‘instant’’.) Press silence in xiv it will take 1+ second to go off, especially if you’re in the middle of another action already. Press counterspell in wow and it goes off IMMEDIATELY to the point you can stop a 0.2 sec cast.
constant syncing of your gear and level everywhere, making your upgrades worthless in almost all the content, even max level stuff. All to keep it ‘‘fair’’. This includes pvp. It’s like if bc timewalking put you in bc gear nuking your dps and stripping away every ability you have that’s above the dungeons level.
Almost 0 healing requirements, healers are judged by how much dps they bring. Same with tanks and they all play nearly the same. All the tanks have a 3 min cd 30% damage reduction with a different name for example. If you think wow is homogenized you haven’t seen anything yet, they also don’t have specs or talents and everyone wears the EXACT same gear, down to the last point of stamina.
Terrible pvp thanks to their extremely lagged servers. People are nowhere near where they show on the screen and seeing half a cast bar means it’s already went off and hit you so interrupting is not a thing.
Loading screens everywhere cause it was a ps3 game and they will never bother fixing it even though ps3 was discontinued years ago. Even new expansion zones have loading screens everywhere and I guarantee you even when the games on playstation 10 they won’t stop with the loading screens. I don’t think they even know how to, their programmers seem very amateur-ish.
People lose their crap when a store mount comes out here, over there they praise it. Their shop is 4 times the size of wow and no one bats an eye. They even sell their story skips seperately PER EXPANSION and THEN sell a level boost too, since the story skip boost doesn’t level you it just toggles the story as ‘‘complete’’. Imagine in wow to get your boost to current expansion you had to pay to skip vanilla,bc,wrath,cata,mop,wod,legion,bfa each individually and THEN you had to pay again to actually get the level ups, absolutely insane. They charge you more on monthly subscription for bag space as well. Their greed makes ea and activision look weak in comparison.
You like the collection tabs for transmog and never having to keep all your items around? Sorry you have to keep every single thing you find there if you ever wanna transmog it nuking your bag space in the process. But don’t worry they’ll sell you more bagspace 
(but if you stop paying for it you can never access that inventory and all it’s items til you pay again).
Definitely more but I think I’ve made my point. Their community desperately needs to stop accepting all the crap square enix does, if even ONE of these things I mentioned happened in wow it would cause an uproar and you know it. Just look at the forum or youtube when they announce a mount.
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