It is not identical. My main has all the masks available for horrific visions and a fully filled research tree. None of that translated to alts ever. Now your fresh sixty can get into a 12 if you’ve already done a 12 before on any toon.
To be fair, you can walk in, but your chances of finishing a lvl 12 Torghast on a fresh 60 with no tree research, and doing it solo, are about as good as those of an ice cube in hell.
That would mean no blessings and 2 extra torments. That would be a moderate challenge even for a geared 60.
So you still need to grind the research tree by doing lower levels and learning what raises your score (because higher score = more research points).
Domination sockets are going away in 9.2 iirc.
And if it’s guaranteed and also seeing people’s reaction to ‘mandatory’ things in their mind… this change wouldn’t fly.
They also want Korthia to have some relevancy for catch up to get their moneys worth from designing it otherwise I suspect they COULD OF just done a currency system that wasn’t new as to not overwhelm that list - - and you could get some piece after a few runs of a lower ilvl that you later can upgrade perhaps.
You think so? I bet they expand on it and add new shards, let you stack shards and it becomes like corruption. In a sense that everyone will have it and will be a major part of your build/theme.
Everyone? My alts had bags full of un-cleansable corrupted gear from world quests and other content. Horrific visions were not nearly as popular among casuals as you are thinking they were.
I think blizzard thought that taking the gear out (as with all SL content) and making them mandatory would serve as inspiration for those casuals who decided Horrific visions were optional in 8.3. How’s that working out?
It is unbelievable that devs did not already add gear drops to Torghast in 9.1. Torghast Layer 12 requires 252 iLvl, but does not reward any gear. Therefore, it fails as standalone endgame content, despite being like a dungeon that anyone can do.
Raiders and Mythic+ players enjoy getting their gear from other PvE content, and hate running Torghast just for legendary mats. PvP players might want to do Torghast, but suffer from a -6 item level handicap with no possibility of earning domination gear.
Meanwhile, solo and casual players are asking for power progression that they can do on their own terms, but are still denied that, even though Torghast has already been developed. (Yes, anyone can craft legendaries, but most casual and altoholic players are not going to spend millions of gold on higher rank legendaries.)
Devs are trying so hard to force everyone into raiding in 9.1 that they are hamstringing all other content in the game, and potentially losing millions of players.
Without gear drops, Torghast is like a bonus mode for raiders rather than being the new endgame pillar that many players have been asking for since 8.3 Horrific Visions.
It would probably be fine at a limited slot valor cap piece at cap on weekly reset in the same style as visions where you can get upgrades at varying levels. Valor gear is already around that level . Its no more egregious then doing 4 mythic 0s for a heroic piece. At the end of the day one of the biggest issues of torghast is that it is generally pointless, just making another resource for another system detracts from the content. Honestly I’d like it to give domination socket gear, just to make it more available.
Free raid gear is a silly statement though, I get the impression that the taragrue is going to be pretty free next year when the alliance finally open up lfg mythic.
Devs are desperate to get players to do Torghast to justify its development costs. So they force competitive players (who already enjoy getting gear from the three pillars) to do Torghast twice a week with conduit upgrades and legendary mats.
However, the casual and solo players who actually enjoy Torghast can’t get the gear they need to complete it.
Raiding was top priority for devs in 9.1, then Torghast as companion content for raiders. Casual and solo players are not even an afterthought, as they are downright excluded from 9.1 endgame.
It’s weird how the Devs get everything backwards. I did 5 mask visions all the time because I don’t do M+ and I was fortunate to Raid in BFA because we could do 30 Tank TD which was hilarious. I don’t typically raid though as it isn’t fun.
I also did 1,000s of Island Expeditions in BFA was top 500 in Azerite level in North America and did the world quest everyday to get paragon chest.
In SL they killed everything. Everything is worse from world quest, to ideas like Torghast.
I will play a game easily 40 hours a week and Blizz somehow managed to make a game where I don’t want to do that. There just isn’t much content or things for me to do compared to BFA. Everything is just worse but I have hopes of one day that it isn’t which is why I still make threads to make the game better.
yeah but you couldn’t even get a mask carry if you hadn’t found the masks on that toon yet. WIth torg you can get a 12 carry the moment you ding
If I remember correctly, you could. You can test it. Nothing about the visions has changed (other than the black serpent being unobtainable). But I think as long as 1 person in the group has completed the mask quest, they can place the mask.
And you might be able to get a 12 carry, but I don’t think you’ll have an easy time getting carried to 5 stars.
I just want to point out that if 9.1.5 is making changes because Blizz is trying to win back the millions of player they lost. Well can you please just add competitive gear drops to Torghast since it should of always been a part of it to begin with!
Epic gear from Visions ruined BfA. Or, rather, it turned the entire expansion into a snoozefest, as people would run with maximum corruption, knowing the powers they had were enough to compensate for the drawbacks. Domination sockets are nothing compared to them, and that’s why.
Blizz has said “You shouldn’t have to run Torg”, and, well, you do, but under your system, you’d be running it a lot more often, and more people would feel compelled to do so, beyond the couple of quests you get to take you there.
Your crazy, it offered competitive gear and that was a good thing.
Almost everything Blizz has said is wrong. They don’t know what is best and that much has been clear. Torghast can be something good instead of something bad. If they truly want to stick with it then it needs to reward competitive gear.
Layer 12 requires 252 gear yet there is no gear progression path in Torghast. The people that enjoy Torghast the most don’t have the gear to do it. So it’s failed content at this point. Gearing has been insanely restrictive in SL and people are just going to keep quitting until it opens up.
I agreed with everything but this. Gearing is very unrestrictive mechanically, but socially it is extremely restrictive. Pugging M+ is a total mess and the attempt at the social credit score has just resulted in a reverse bell curve: You get someone who greatly exceeds or greatly fails expectations. Since raids also use this score, same result.