I was over factions being a thing when we saw internal alpha images of WoW coming out in 2003/4ish that showed us humans and orcs fighting together on the same side.
Having come off playing WC3, I had thought everyone was on the same side by now. Guess I was wrong.
Because the Horde did something monstrous. Instead of marching alongside the Alliance to bring her to justice.
He stands alongside with her.
Im pretty sure he said it was more to protect the civilians than to support sylvie though
I Hate blizzard for what they’ve done to this game, i hate what they are doing for this story, im trying really hard to close my ears and go LALALALALA so i can focus in the good aspects of the game (dungeons and raid are still good imo), they can do crossfaction game for all i care i dont particularly hate my fellow players, all my faction pride went to the gutter the moment sylvanas burned teldrassil and i knew they lied to me and this story was going to suck donkeyballs.
Alliance has been shafted too many times before just to advance the plot so i dont trust them to give my faction a good ending, i know some hordies also hate the villain batting that’s been done to their faction.
back on topic, for story reasons there is a lot of dissapointing running around for both factions so i dont think many will particularly care if crossfaction for gameplay reasons is going to be a thing.
You think that excuses his actions?
Maybe the Horde should have stood alongside Garrosh because they were worried about the civilians inside Orgrimmar.
You know what happens when the Alliance walks away? The Horde will use it as an opportunity to run us over and take everything from us. You want to pretend they are actually a bastion of virtue and frankly it makes you sound delusional. Time and again they’ve proven they won’t change and yet you still think that forgiving them is the best course of action. They’ve done nothing to deserve it and at this point there’s nothing they can do.
I like this idea even better. Back to racial kingdoms that make their own decisions. Blood Elves would prefer to work with an orc over a human beause orcs have earned our trust and they’re right there with us on the front lines when we’re facing threats that want to end us. Humans were once that race but the Scourge forever changed that dynamic. I would work with humans. I would work with Jaina. I do work with Jaina when it’s called for. She isnt racist. She doesn’t believe humans are superior. She’s simply fighting for her people who happen to be human mostly. Why wouldnt i respect that? She had her fiasco in Dalaran but the Sunreavers brought that on themselves by betraying the trust she had in the city as a whole. I say that as a blood elf player(too mostly Nightborne these days). I would work with night elves. I did in Suramar to help the Nightborne. A night elf saved the Nightborne with my help. Literally saved them from genocide and extinction as a separate elven race. I would hope that the burning tree taught the kaldorei the same humility the sindorei and shaldorei have had to learn. No elven race is better than another and we should ultimately be all looking out for each other but they’ve become arrogant while accusing all other elves of that exact thing.
You’re just angry because we beat you. The tree was a travesty that my character was shamefully and regretfully convinced to take part in. The kaldorei simmering in their anger and calling us monsters who won’t see reason isn’t going to help you at all in the long run.
Time and again the Horde has been given the chance to do the right thing and every time they’ve wasted it on whatever latest atrocity or grand conquest against the Alliance they decided to do. As I said in the other post, the Horde populace approve of your actions so you are the monsters everyone thinks you are. We don’t need to be helped and certainly not by you.
You continue to be arrogant as a race even when you no longer have a home and worry that the Shal’dorei are the arrogant ones. Your approach isn’t sustainable and will be your end. Of course youre free to think whatever you want but you know what happens when you challenge us. When you openly oppose us and want to harm us, we roll over you and end it quickly. You start your guerilla warfare while your charred home smokes in the background. Meanwhile, Azshara and N’Zoth seek to dominate us all. Fortunately most of our leaders don’t revel in this arrogance, especially not the shaldorei despite what you say. The shal’dorei by the way didn’t hesitate to work with Jaina Proudmoore and Genn Greymane because they are reasonable and have been thoroughly humbled. The sin’dorei were humbled many many times even by our own faction when Garrosh decided that elves were disposable relic hunters. We’ve endured as much loss and suffering as you have and try to be better people for it and the kaldorei continue to provoke us and incite endless conflict with us. We aren’t weak and we won’t roll over for you. But when a kaldorei becomes reasonable, such as Shandris Feathermoon, we work with her with little hesitation. Even as she mocks Thalyssra while Thalyssra is actively in the middle of trying to save us ALL, we work with her because she’s just being petty. My character gets that. Thalyssra gets that and even put her in her place. That bubble you accuse them of hiding under helped to end the War of the Ancients as it cut off the Legion’s second front and prevented Azshara from getting her hands on the eye of aman’thul. We see what she can do with the tidestone. Imagine she had it and the eye and the hammer and the tears. The shal’dorei stopped that right in its tracks but you just call them monsters.
This.
Many RPG settings don’t require players to belong to a particular political entity. If players were all basically adventurers, then they could travel to any zone and befriend who they wanted.
Look at how Critical Role handles it. The setting of the current campaign revolves around two factions, broadly similar to the Alliance and Horde, that are at war. And the players have worked for and against both of them at various times.
Incidentally, the current Critical Role story shows how to generate conflict from the supposedly “good guy” faction without making the whole faction evil.
Trusting the Horde isn’t sustainable actually.
They actually never openly opposed you. They were living their lives normally and the honourable Saurfang with no formal declaration of war decided to destroy them.
Ayyyy LMAO
Monsters? More like cowards. They were too scared to open it even a little to check outside after over 10k years.
I wish the Horde and Alliance were morally equal. It could make for an interesting story if done right. But the way the story treats them like they are, even when that is clearly not the case, is intellectually insulting.
To do that the Horde would have to stop eating babies and the Alliance kissing them. I don’t see it happening, do you?
Sounds like we actually did the right thing from how you put it, where’s the waste?
Maybe the Alliance should start doing the right thing for a change.
Depends on your definition of the right thing. Occupying Teldrassil and routing the Night Elves so they don’t pose a threat? Sound tactical decision and, yes, the right thing. Burning down the tree and killing off a race? Not so much.
Burning down the tree was fun, and Alliance lives were lost en masse. How is that not the right thing?
The only thing that wasn’t right was that we relied on unpredictable fire that might have spared a few people by chance, instead of the sureness of a good old Mana Bomb like Theramore.
Am I being trolled? I feel like I am. What do you guys think?
Its just Horde posters.
Yeah but there’s Horde posters who can have a rational conversation and this guy who’s like “yeah slaughtering them all was a great idea, how could it not be? We should have killed more” and it sounds deliberately inflammatory. Too insane for someone to actually believe.