If they do opt for Tinkerer, and they race restrict it

Let’s just continue to ignore Mag’har, whose society was shaped by being supplied with goblin technology; undead, who build their own siege weapons and concoct deadly biological weapons; blood elves and nightborne, who build arcane- and blood-powered constructs; and earthen, who also have an engineering corps and build their own mechs.

This is the problem with the proposed tinker race restrictions: they close the door to some of the most advanced races, but open it to a race that’s about as advanced as the tauren (who at least have functioning elevators in their city), based on flimsy arguments like “their models are based on goblins” or “the other races would be too much clutter when they’re in their mech”.

Orgrimmar is absolutely not a technological marvel on the level of Gnomeregan, Mechagon, or the Undermine.

Show me where all this took place, because I’m looking at the race’s Warcraft Wiki page and it says nothing about engineering, only that they have a talent for alchemy.

I did, just like I’ve played through the majority of post-Cataclysm stories. The sheer arrogance you have to suggest otherwise speaks volumes, mainly because I’ve long been the one to call out when people try to rewrite what happened there and/or use the events as a basis for their conspiracy theories.

A tinker, as defined by the people demanding its addition as a class, is someone who fights using robots, explosives, flamethrowers, energy weapons, etc. There are plenty of examples of gnomes and goblins doing that, not so much for vulpera.

So it’s settled, a tinker class should be open to every race instead of a handful that would tank its popularity, one of which would need to have its culture rewritten.

You’re way more invested in this than I am…so good luck with that.

Pot called kettle what? I’m glad you can see how offensive that is. Try not to do it again, okay? Suggesting that people who disagree with you about something as silly as which races should have access to a potential future class addition haven’t played the game, thereby implying that their opinions are beneath your notice or unworthy of civil discussion…is ugly.

Good talk.

I mean I could see it, it’s just I think of Dwarves as more … “Redneck” vibe tinkers. You know, resourceful, stonework, using spit and kicking something to make it work, etc. They’re smart, and they know their way around an engine, but it’s more of in a practical way.

Gnomes are more like WoW’s tech bro nerds, building drones and robots, and understanding circuits and all that.

… And Goblins are like Gnomes who didn’t go to college, but are smart enough to figure the stuff out anyway by reverse engineering it. XD

So, yeah, kind of. Just depends on what subjectively comes to the mind when you say “Tinker.”

Realistically I suppose any playable race could do it, as intelligence isn’t excluded to one race. But I guess culturally, it’d be odd to see a Tauren or Night Elf choosing to fly exploding drones instead of trusting Nature magic. XD

Then those people don’t get to play it and they can suck rocks. Just like the people who complained about Evoker.

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What about Moiras kid?

Don’t think they would ever race lock tinker. It wouldn’t make sense: Every single race seems to dabble in technology in one way or another. Even the most nature-friendly ones have those who dabble in tech.

Personally, I find the idea of a Techno Druid, using technology to promote nature, to be hilarious. Maybe that’s a character idea in the making.

Only goblins and gnomes should be tinkers.

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People lose their minds over everything including things that happen to be good. I really am excited to what the Tinker could be but people have issues with anything new sometimes and I am just as guilty.

Will we get Tinkers? No time soon. But it would be nice.

:crossed_fingers: we can only hope.

That isn’t a thing. No matter if you say it a billion times.

Also. Tinkers should be raced restricted hardcore. Only the Numquam can be allowed as Tinkers.

So Mechatorque, a gnome, being the basis of tinker, let alone known as High Tinkerer, should be retconned after being his specific class after 20 years?

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Okay. Why?

Anyone who goes Engineering can already tinker. It’s literally a part of the Engineering profession. And anyone can go Engineering.

Sure there’s the “High Tinker” Mekkatorque, but does that mean suddenly everyone else can’t know how to tinker with tech? That it’s some mythical secret that only gnomes can dabble in? (And I guess goblins)

Engineering has gone far beyond gnomes and goblins.

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So you are saying Engineering and Tinkerers are the same thing?

Why ask that question when you already know the answer? What’s the point?

More along the lines of being a beginner. The next stage of engineer is tinker so to say.

Not according to the english language

No? Tinkerers are a subclass of Engineers. I’m not saying anyone who has the know-how to make a mechanized chicken has the same level of expertise that Tinkerers have. It’s like how there’s specialized types of engineers if you get an engineering degree.

I’m simply saying anyone can learn how to, provided they are willing. There may be some races that may not but I see no reason to lock it to gnomes and goblins. And hey, I’m all for more folks playing goblins but not because a class/spec is hard locked to them.

Because I don’t think tinkers should be limited to one race. Maybe a few but not one. Rhetorical…just to make others realize. think, or both.

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What races would you find acceptable?

Goblins, Gnomes, and Vulpera for sure.

People are against Vulpera because they feel at this time that they are more nomadic or like a tiny version of the Tauren. I feel that they are, as a society, in the dark ages of technology. Yet, they feel like the backstory of Goblins to where their minds are starting to expand due to now being part of something bigger. Especially having the opportunity of working hand in hand with the Goblins. However…it depends on what direction Blizzard would go if they did bring tinkers about and what races.

Dwarves.

I think all the Dwarves should also be able to be tinkers as well as they usually take Gnome tech and then make it better.

I don’t know about the other races but it would be nice that they could share in it. Frustrating to go to other races and I can’t play certain classes sometimes. Goblin paladins for me in this case.