If no one plays AB nor WSG...what's the point in ranking to 14?

Not quite. With i think 2 exceptions, every r14 weap has s direct upgrade in AQ40.

Also, AB and WSG are dead because of premades and will remain as such until premades are forced to fight eachother without exception or ability to game the system to avoid fighting eachother.

We told you this would happen and it did.

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Dunno if it’s most but it’s why I’m here.
I like vanilla too so it’s not suffering to me.
Kinda wish they’d slow down and let all patches have their full time to play out but it is what it is.

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Another problem blizz could have fixed with the deftest of touches. Just add a hidden individual MMR system. That’s it. Premades would inevitably end up fighting each other constantly.

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This is such a better fix than banning premades.

The biggest issue isn’t premades but players that make no effort and ruin games. MMR would stick them all together and make games better for everyone else.

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Ranking was for raiding. If the gear wasn’t good for raiding nobody would have done it.

Why not just remove premades. Problem solved. No one can join AB nor WSG while in a raid. If you use a MMR system the problem is people who are good will be punished with longer que times and perhaps never even find another team to fight for days. The ONLY solution is to ban raids in BG’s.

Premades aren’t the problem - bad players that give up and refuse to even try to improve are the problem. One of them will ruin an entire game for 19 people.

A pug with 3 amazing players and 7 randoms that try will beat 95% of premades.

MMR is the solution.

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It’s hard to hear and others may feel this is rude but it’s a sad truth.
Even if one solo queues, you are part of a team.
Even if you believe you know all the strats and can execute, you gotta work together and not give up.

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The crazy part is nobody has truly solved WSG, yet some players will enter a game and give up within 2 minutes in a game that is 100% winnable versus a team that made dozens of clear mistakes.

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Ugh.
My pain in SOD.
I couldn’t take it.

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lol same - i got muted for calling them out and then left back to Era for good. This was still at phase 1 lol

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lmao same
For making some one babyrage over target markers.
Someone that was whining about JUST LET THEM WIN LET THIS BE OVER THE BOOGEYMAN PREMADE WAAAAH.

I spam called afk people another word for cat.

They are what they are :joy:

lol
I don’t need to get spicy.
Just treat them like the toddler they are insistent on emulating.

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They can’t really go much slower. It’s been slightly over 6 months and we’re still in BWL.

My biggest worry with it is that everyone is slamming into AV and the number of turtles is starting to skyrocket. Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not one of these that just wants to see 6 minute games all night long, but I don’t care for 30-45 minute slogs all night either.

I’m hoping it settles into a place where both sides can smartly PvP and slow one another down without turning things into a turtlefest. My biggest worry is that we start seeing Scorch Earth games constantly which means people stop signing up and we get one AV match every 4-5 hours.

viva la tortuga
say it with me Cezar
jajaja

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Call me crazy but PvP 100% should happen in a battleground.

Scorched earth is pure fun.

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It may be for a certain set of people, but apparently not for the masses. If it was Blizzard would not have had to make multiple changes in AV to get people to start using it again. It got really bad for a while there back in the day.

As a warlock you can have some of the most fun in turtles

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