Can you move the default ui’s “debuffs currently on you” location?
Would be weird having to look at the top right corner of the screen that much
The game doesn’t require addons, you would find more often than not that players who use addons just do it to make the game look better and have things in the spot they want.
Fix the default UI, like properly fix it, not this mess they have now, and a good number of people will remove addons entirely.
These threads are always started by trolls or hardstuck bads trying to blame something other than their own skill as to why they can’t time keys.
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if blizz could design a UI and encounters properly we wouldnt need addons, id love to see addons go , but that would mean blizzard would have to complete their UI and encounters and fix alot of display issues. it sucks the way it is because your almost forced to run some sort of unit frame, bigwigs/dbm, weak auras and some others depending on class just to make encounters doable. some of these are blizzards own fault, addons like GTFO will notify you when your standing in bad when the graphics load under stairs or a ramp for example, or a blue floor with a blue dragons with blue spells and blue circles and blue shards… like who designs this? or debuffs from weak auras, who has time to look for a tiny icon on a target mob when every other mechanic will 1 shot you if you dont do it or a dispell in a giant row of debuffs. and healing you need somethign fast like vuhdo because blizz has set up modern encounters where everything is a one shot or most of someones health, healing is no longer topping people up, is a race to have people at 100% and hots or incoming heals already on the way.
Yep. DBM is nice just because it’s more efficient to be able to time things perfectly, but the game gives you all the information you need to deal with mechanics.
WA is a nightmare addon that does way more than it should have ever have been allowed to do. And I only ever used it for personal CD tracking and haven’t used it for awhile, so, yeah, I’m fine without it.
Both addons probably should be gutted, but they’re so entrenched in the game by now that people will cry about it if it ever happens.
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I don’t use DBM or WA so I’d be fine.
i have no idea how to heal w/o a healer addon in this game lol. and ya i was told to get dbm at the start sooo lol
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Blizz publishes the API, take advantage or don’t, but what WA does is allowed.
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I never used any addons or mods :> I guess I’m too Vanilla. I really like the new UI though as it is very customisable
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Quit using DBM and use TellMeWhen instead of WA.
DBM just got to the point where it was easier to learn the fight then to figure out and customize the add on to just show me what I need to know.
With tell me when I just figured out how make it do what I needed quicker than I did with WA.
This is an absurd position and could only be taken by someone that doesn’t understand much about the working of mods on WoW. WoW has 18 years of supporting the mod community, and time after time, when a mod breaks gameplay, Blizzard will pull select capabilities out of the API and make them inaccessible. The same is likely to hold true with WeakAuras.
Blizzard will not ban all mods. You may just as well ask what would we do if the sun did not come up tomorrow.
And, no, the built-in UI is terrible - it always was terrible, but now it’s basically halfway configurable and still a WIP from Blizzard. We’re all, in GD, on the razor’s edge of quitting every day if people can be believed. Removing mods … that’s unacceptable.
I’d have no trouble quitting over it.
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Yeh like OP who has a host of WA’s that tell them how to play the game. I stopped doing that years ago when I realised it was just a memory hog addon that made things worse, plus I couldn’t see what was happening there was so much on the screen at once.
When you make that realisation that it is better to see what is happening and react in real time instead of relying on icons and numbers to guide you, you become a much better player.
If Blizzard banned specifically DBM and WA then my gameplay actually wouldn’t change too much. DBM is massively overrated (especially by people who don’t understand what it actually does) and I use more to speed up how quickly I learn a fight than I do actually doing the fight. Once I get past the learning stage, I can turn off DBM and suffer no consequences.
With WeakAuras I do occasionally write some specific WeakAuras to track certain buffs or cooldowns, but that’s very basic usage that you could replace with just about any UI mod. It would really only affect the few specific fights that use a solver WeakAura which Blizzard is aiming to fix anyway.
If they banned ALL addons then I would most likely quit the game. At the very least I’d be forced to change classes since I use an addon to track bleed snapshotting and pandemic timers on Feral, neither of which the base UI is really capable of doing. I’m not willing to play Feral without that tracking and if I’m not able to play my favorite spec then I’d probably end up quitting the game.
I don’t see that happening any time soon though. Truth be told I don’t think I’m a very heavy addon-user. I mostly stick to the basic stuff like Tomtom or Details.
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Kind of weird that DBM is being put in the same galaxy of importance as Weakauras.
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If Blizzard banned all mods, these forums wouldn’t change a bit.
The narrative would just shift to “people are cheating and still using them”. 
And with the in game pin thing you can basically do without TomTom if you really wanted.
As for Details! or any DPS addon, it’s all information taken from the combat log and displayed in an easy to find location instead of having to scroll through pages of a combat log, something Blizzard should implement themselves.
In fact every addon that changes the Cvars can be done without an addon as long as you know what the Cvar is, and if you use Advanced Interface Options it lists every Cvar in the game, Blizzard just need to take some of the base addons that a lot of people use and make them a default thing.
Details!, batter chat options, better action bars and placement if stuff like how ElvUI does it, the mini map button bar, better mini map options, a better looking objective tracker, all that basic stuff that just makes the game look better and be more customisable, which is what I was hoping when they redone the UI, but here I am still not using the default UI.
Was more a joke that the CM’s (mods) of the WoW forums don’t do anything.
But yeah, it’d just be like FF where you’d never outright say that you’re using them, but there’d be the implication like with other third party programs which most people don’t consider cheating but are technically against the ToS (like that program that let you change character models before we got a bajillion toys that did that, tmorph I think it was called?)
It definitely can. That’s one of the reasons I don’t describe myself as a heavy addon user. I installed Tomtom a long time ago and at this point use it more out of habit than anything else. If it disappeared tomorrow it wouldn’t take me long to adapt to life without it.
Right now my dependence on addons comes down to the singular addon I use to track bleed snapshotting (DotFocus for those who care). This is a very Feral-specific problem since I don’t think any other spec really concerns itself with snapshotting anymore. If Blizzard adjusted their UI to track that better or even if I mained any other spec in the world then I’d be saying something different.
I think players who don’t use addons overestimate how much players who use them are dependent on them. By and large, players who are good with addons will continue to be good without addons even if they have to go through some growing pains first. It’s not going to suddenly make players who don’t know up from down on their class suddenly compete in a high-skill environment.
I’d be okay, though I’d be sad about losing my RP mods.