I’d rather not spend 20 minutes pre-key debating where to use lust, nor people flipping out even harder that it was used at the “wrong” time.
Really, the trash % simply needs to be more transparent, in a lot of ways. At the very least, show a point of no return %, and make it very obvious if continuing past the next boss will leave you short.
For this, I often just aim for liek say 25% before the 1st boss in a 4 boss dungeon, 33$ in a 3 boss one, knocking off a boss or 2 if it is more instant from the 3rd to 4th boss. Issue I tend to have is in dungeons like halls or or ones where you really need certain % before entering areas, like the necropolis in Necrotci wake.
Blizz wants your lust timing to be a choice/decision
They want you to decide trash vs boss its why some bosses are one after another. To force players to decide which boss they want it on etc
Blizzard may want it, but most just check sites like raider. io and treat such as gospel anyway. My idea does not remove lust being a choice, but opens it up to match the group’s cadence more then set timers like raider. io has.
People would still just look up when to use lust based on a route.
I don’t see what benefit this brings other than wanting to use list more often
You even stated this is more for people that overgear the run. I don’t feel that is what we should target in class design/balance
What’s wrong with how it works now? It’s balanced around having a 10 minute cooldown and this suggestion just makes things needlessly complicated.
drums doesnt have a cd.
It seems the OP wants to find ways to use it more often, which as you said, would change balancing in the game for that amount of change. Not to mention everything else in game would have to accommodate for it and so on… the ripple effect would be huge
IMO - Stop trying to fix what isnt broken
Yet that cold easily be their downfall, they look up a route but are unable to adjust due to such routes being rigid.
Well, partially for those that overgear content, but also for those that might have lopsided AoE vs. single target specs or something.
The issue is when group make-up, pathing or whatever chaos the dungeon throws at you skews the timing and everything. The current paths on sites like raider. io are a bit too rigid and assuming ideal group make-up and that e ery thing is in line with how it should be at the key level.
Yeah, but they still have no effect if sated/exausted/etc
It seems some are reducing the idea down to “use lust more often”, which is normal for the forums. I even stated, using an example, that ideally it would NOT result in more lusts, just enable people to shift the timing of it to fit their style or pacing more. If 3 lusts are available due to the timer, it could still easily be 3 lusts but tied more to the pacing of the group more then a stopwatch that says “yo should be here when lust is up again”.
But this wouldn’t change that.
But even you stated you could use lust more often.
The lust timer would only go down. Nothing makes it go over 10 mins to compensate for it sometimes being only 5 minutes. Or less.
What changes would you make to ensure lust is used the same amount?
I would like to just step in and say:
I hate using lust. I dont want to be the lust guy. I want to use my Tenacity pet for the lil bit of extra health and heals.
Better idea: Take hero/lust out of mythic+ and scale trash bosses down proportionally. It is too potent an ability groups “need” to build groups around giving the handful of specs that bring it an unfair advantage.
You learn when to use lust real fast playing sham/pres heals because on some pulls if you don’t press it you just die and I think it’s bad game design. I dunno if it’s the needing the mob count that’s the bad design or if it’s the bloodlust.
That just sounds like fun to me. Reaping level fun.
If I came across that wah, that is either my bad or a misread. My arguement was always less “use lust more:” and more “let lust slot in naturally based on group”
There would still be timer and % needed,
This comes down to balancing, which is better left in the hands of Blizzard
A bit of an extreme, and there are still drums.
This is more why I came up with the idea in the first place, sometimes the gorup pacing leads to misjudging when lust is needed or you wind up blowing it at the wrong time. I still don’t want more lusts in the dungeon, just want the expectation for its use to be more fluid then rigid.
Meh, I don’t feel there’s anything “wrong” with the way lust functions now. Don’t fix what ain’t broke.
Ah, throwback.
But that means the lust timer has to change for every single dungeon
It’s just needlessly over complicating everything
I don’t understand the purpose or need for this.
Lust on big dangerous trash pull, which usually is done near the start of the dungeon. Then lust on every boss you can thereafter. Whatever tweaking M+ needs it’s not this.
The general rule of thumb is get lust on CD ASAP, so yeah, sometime around start of dungeon it should be popped.