I won't be queuing any more random BGs as Alliance

PVP Battlegrounds
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I’ve been playing since WOTLK and have never seen Ivus summoned once…

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I’ve not seen him since Vanilla.

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I’ve seen him 4 times this expansion at least. The key is to make it happen. Participate in its happening. Don’t just hope others do it.

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Exactly. Every AV I spam for people to defend SHB. Doesn’t always work out but more times than not, it has.

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I see him about once every week in PUGs, it’s really not that hard to pull off, usually takes about 2-3 people to get the ball rolling and generate hype. But people actually have to participate, you have to “make it happen”.

I posted in that other thread about the process etc, go take a look:

[Ivus the Forest Lord - #6 by Gdtroll-illidan]

Most important thing: if you see people start talking in the chat about trying to summon Ivus, listen to them and DO WHAT THEY SAY

If they ask for more crystals, go hand in your crystals. If they ask for more people at the summoning stone, get there asap. Etc

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2-2 on my freshly dinged 120 Warlock. The two losses were brutal and the two wins were easy. That’s all I got for tonight.

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Well said. JMO that green stuff was like a armory stalker post. Also, the question was akin to a “when did you stop beating your wife” kind of question.

[just-sayin’ emoji]

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I’ve been away for about a week, but my experience is I usually see a handful of good alliance epic BG players in the games I get into. Very rarely do I see any of the folks who I know are good from the alliance btag thread (they seem to prefer the smaller BGs). Although I don’t often feel “farmed” in epics, I can tell when a team is not good at all. I actually think many alliance try fairly hard in AV - it’s just that their understanding of strat is low and they do a lot of the same dumb things over and over again without learning.

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We go where we are needed most. We are the heroes this factions needs but not the ones they deserve.

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You’all are needed in AV. JMO of course. :smiley:

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What…

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But Jugaa doesn’t experience this so it must not be happening to you. Figment of your imagination, perhaps? :wink:

Side note: I also quite often see the same people back-to-back. If you aren’t winning, it is a good idea to delay queuing for a bit to break the cycle.

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That’s a pretty disgusting comparison. And no he wasn’t armory stalking. It was an observation based on an imgur of his reflex.

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I’ve tried doing this, but it doesn’t seem to help much.

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Well, we did come to the conclusion they are talking about epics. I do see some of the same names there due to less of the playerbase queuing them and 40 spots :wink:

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Queue up now. Just went 2-0 solo queuing, Alliance are on point atm:

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/sargeras/juuga/pvp

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Eh? 10 chars

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Disgusting? Nah. Point went over your head.

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Not at all… You bring up domestic violence which is a HUGE issue

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IMO that IS what that green person’s question was like. If you don’t feel that way, fine.

Google Loaded Question.

Exposition:

A “loaded question”, like a loaded gun, is a dangerous thing. A loaded question is a question with a false or questionable presupposition, and it is “loaded” with that presumption. The question “Have you stopped beating your wife?” presupposes that you have beaten your wife prior to its asking, as well as that you have a wife. If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded.

Since this example is a yes/no question, there are only the following two direct answers:

  1. “Yes, I have stopped beating my wife”, which entails “I was beating my wife.”
  2. “No, I haven’t stopped beating my wife”, which entails “I am still beating my wife.”

Thus, either direct answer entails that you have beaten your wife, which is, therefore, a presupposition of the question. So, a loaded question is one which you cannot answer directly without implying a falsehood or a statement that you deny. For this reason, the proper response to such a question is not to answer it directly, but to either refuse to answer or to reject the question.

Some systems of parliamentary debate provide for “dividing the question”, that is, splitting a complex question up into two or more simple questions. Such a move can be used to split the example as follows:

  1. “Have you ever beaten your wife?”
  2. “If so, are you still doing so?”

In this way, 1 can be answered directly by “no”, and then the conditional question 2 does not arise.

www (dot) fallacyfiles (dot)org / loadques.html

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