“Nobody said you personally. It seems to be the overwhelming majority of people that want fresh want it because they feel their achievments are nullified by people who have already beat them to it. Between that and the economy and gearing and leveling pop reasoning (all of which i have addressed) are the MAIN reasons people want the fresh as described by these forums.”
Even if it’s not addressed directly to me, though that isn’t specified to anyone except to me, given that you were addressing what I had stated previously, that is still a very niche and narrow view of the majority of reasons people have. Thinking ‘oh it’s because they want what other people have’. It’s a main reason to some, yes, but you’re saying it’s near EVERYONE’S view, but how is that true, like… At all, because you and maybe a few of your guildies have the same views of the subject matter, so it must be everyone?
“If you didnt understand what i meant, why even address it? My point was the people think it will change alot to have but beyond economy bounce and pop flux there wont be much different than current era servers. And you yourself made the point that the econmy and pop will just even out again making it even more pointless. Your literally fighting my side of the argument for me and dont realize it.”
First, understanding your side of the argument is ‘no because I don’t like it’, on the bases that it’ll be absolutely pointless, but that’s not, at all what, i’m saying. The state that we are in, right now, is a resting period where, outside of any major influences like bots or player made scams, we are pretty much grinding for the same thing. Some people want the ability to do it all again, find new people, try new things. You’re just seemingly trying to think that everyone is gonna try the exact same thing every time, and while that may be the case, that isn’t going to be the case for everyone, some people will try harder, maybe form guilds or work harder to PvP. A fresh start may end the same as what we have now, but at this point, what do we have to lose?
“I Havent farmed anything. Its all from gathering professions where i stop for nodes when i see them and sell everything on the AH. Because the economy is fine i dont have to farm to make easy gold. Im a vet but i havnet played in many many years and am just getting back into it. I wanted fresh till i realized it was a waste to wait for it when i could have all the fun i wanted with the product already given.”
And that’s fine, but I don’t see it as a waste, the economy has never mattered, it helps to buy items, but if the entirety of the game relied solely on the AH, rather than using it as a tool to short cut some grinds then WoW would be in a FAR worse state. In SoM, as a priest, to get my legendary cloak, it was 500 gold for just the materials and another 750 just for someone to make it. That was during the rest period where people where bored and the only people left were the hardcore grinders and farmers. As it turns out, when it’s just starting out, some people are gonna raise anything to the absolute roof, majority usually follow a very simple chain of logic such as 'is this higher than the vendor trash selling rate? How hard was it to farm" What is the lowest price set for this item?" To rebuild the economy you are comfortable with, will not take any time, maybe it’s even better, or worse, but the argument of ‘we shouldn’t because it’s good for right now’ doesn’t outweigh the fact that people are resting with everything they need and don’t mind jacking up the price.
"Bro what? If multiple guilds are running multiple raids weekly then there will be spots to fill and when they fly through those lower raids, if you ask to go, you will get geared. I see it all the time when people hit 60. saw a lock do it over the past month. Didnt even have to GDKP it. cost him nothing but time and he was gonna be playing anyway lol.
The whole point is when everyone out gears the lower raids they run them quick for fun and to gear alts and stuff and its easy to get into those runs and get geared. Just like in retail at the end of an expansion."
Most guilds i’ve ever been with, unless just starting out, my guy, usually take the same people unless they have to go in with a hot replacement due to random or planned absence. Especially guilds that are maxed level, active and looking to refine their raiding time, which isn’t the off one or two, though there are some very sweaty guilds that will finish a raid in less than two hours if they really wanted to. So this rotation of people constantly going through raid to raid might be very common now, and if that’s the case, I do apologize, but if you have one team that cleared, for example, Ragnaros, I plan to see those same 40 people next week because we already know they can complete the raid. It’s the nature of guilds that are dedicated to PvE and/or PvP content, they want to succeed and don’t want to waste time.
“Cause what i want is fresh+ with world buff tweaks and other changes.”
Skipping over the last few arguments, there isn’t enough substance there, unless I want to bang my head against a brick wall, I 100% agree that all I want is a better Classic era experience, not just classic, i’d love classic plus for so many reasons, bringing fresh air to a simple game.
I mean, we can go back and forth about the positives and negatives and i’m pretty sure there is no clear winner here, it’s all just preference.