You don’t have to use RDF, don’t have to do anything you don’t want to do in classic. It would be nice to have for those of us that want it.
My social interactions are the same with or without RDF, “Hi” “Thanks for group” “Gratz”
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Oh i will use rdf and the dps will pay me to get them in sooner.
Sounds more like a Retail problem than an RDF problem.
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Imo, this is a symptom of world quests being too easy in general…
Now, some can say the content itself is tuned poorly, or the characters are too powerful. Mid TBC I started playing some alliance characters to explore the various zones, and even went back to classic Era to try that out as alliance… Of all the zones, of all the game, I feel like Westfall is the quintessential world of Warcraft experience, talking vanilla Era classes specifically, tbc+ it all became too easy, and honestly anything over about level 20 in wow actually increased the players power in relation to the world too much.
Its really strange how well tuned the Westfall zone is vs a classic vanilla Era fresh character. Nothing before or after that comes even close. If you haven’t tried it, I strongly recommend giving that a go, imo quit after level 20, because it kinda goes downhill from that point regarding the zone tuning, and quest tuning…
Its truly an awesome setup, its just hard enough that casuals can do the quests, but requires that casuals group up for quite a lot of the content to make it “easy” for them.
For you I’m sure it will be fairly easy, but remember most players aren’t actually very good.
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This is by far the most dramatic post I can still find myself agreeing with.
It’s dead cause the content is stale. Many are playing classic. Come November, people will be back. I assure you.
Well, I almost never joined the rdf alone. I’d always ask in guild if anyone wanted to do a dungeon. Sometimes I’d only get one, most times 2 or 3, occasionally we’d get a full group. We’d just join rdf to fill out the group. So I’d almost always be running with a couple of friends. Anti rdfers are always telling us how many friends they have and how antisocial we are for wanting rdf but if people were often joining rdf alone how many friends did they actually have.
And second, It wouldn’t bother me at all if I joined a group and no one talked. I socialize with my guild, my friend list, and where I live. I don’t want to socialize when I’m running a dungeon. I just want to run the dungeon.
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You know, suddenly I’m deciding that I don’t want RBGs in classic (Wrath) after all.
Which is brutally bad for the enchanters. Especially leveling enchanters. Not enough mats!
Cleared all heroic 5 mans in Wrath, the only words spoken were asking what dungeon was next. This fantasy that manual grouping causes so much more social interaction is wild.
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I couldn’t disagree more. I queue up and after an hour will either give up or get invited. No whispers asking if i want in. Im dps/ heals and never get asked which to roll as. Hi and hello are it. I chat in /p, but only with myself. Kill boss, see “gg” and “wp” or “ty” in chat and every one disbands.
Id rather have a server RFD or server groups so we can just have something to grind on yhe side… like we did when worlk was current retail content. Right now its 40 dps in a qieue with one party of a healer and tank , and when you whisper they’re full or if you hit refresh they’re off the list.
Cant make your own party, no rolls to pick from. Cant use chats theyre being spammed so hard you cant separate one message from the other.
This is why i quit tbc classic. Grinded to 70 on my druid and it was so chaotic to find a group i lost patients with it and quit before kara opened.
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Refering to the title, It’s takes a big man to admit it. Most RDFers will always deny, deny, deny that retail RDF experience is terrible - or insist that “dungeons aren’t supposed to be social” ← (?)
Oh my goodness the distilled COPIUM from the Pro RDFers. It’s like they are trying to convince THEMSELVES RDF isn’t “so bad” rather than convince anyone else.
That’s a pretty flippant response.
Nice work.
I’ve been playing WoW since Feb 2005, I will say that RDF was always a horrible option but I think it was necessary.
If you were playing in the 2000s, one common thing that everyone (including me) wanted was more casual friendly options to obtain high level gear, weapons, etc… eventually we got pretty much a plethora of that, RFD, LFR, free epics, teleporting, flying mounts, all this just slowly started to make the game too fast and boring. It was great because well, now you can join raids an dungeons without even having to say a word.
Well in 2015 Nostalrius was released….it took so much players away from retail that it forced blizzard to shut them down and explore releasing Classic. Keep in mind, Nostalrius was a private server, that was a copy of a much older game, that had no casual friendly options, no rfd, no cross server, no LFR, no dailies, flying mounts, dungeon teleports, no 25 mans, just straight up raw classic. It was because of that Nostalrius server that we even got classic/classic bc and classic Wotlk. It’s no coincidence that when RFD was released (I believe the last major patch of Wotlk back in 09 or 2010), the game really went downhill big time. The other expacs were ok but it got stale too quick, same goes for MoP/WoD/Legion/Bofa/SL. I played until I hit level cap and felt no need to even do other things. When Classic released in 2019, it was the most fun I had playing WoW since the 2000s, again I spent hours and hours playing and never wanted to log off, that was something I couldn’t emulate with Cata-Bofa in which I just want to hit level cap and log off because within 2 hours, I’ve done 3-4 dungeons and dailies or whatever and it got repetitive very quick. Or I’ve done a raid that I wasn’t even planning on doing lol.
So yes, RDF is great because well you can get your things faster. But it removed one aspect of the game that truly made classic/bc/Wotlk shine, the human aspect.
I’m sorry but this is NOT an RDF issue. I can’t tell you the amount of people i’ve grouped with just leveling the past few days who have invited me to a group, literally said not ONE word to me, completed the task and then disbanded the group.
The fact that people think that only happens in RDF is ridiculous. Take your blinders off.
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Classic is the exact same way stop trying to act like it isn’t.
Maybe you’ll get a hey at the start maybe not, you finish… gg. Most leave without even saying that.
It’s just catering to your narrative to say this isn’t the reality of classic with or without rdf
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Tanked close to 50 dungeons so far, and this is my experience with other players. Barely a word uttered.
GG at the end and we go our separate ways.
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Funny that’s how my current experience in classic is anyways. I join a dungeon and no one says anything at all
That is the exact same time I quit retail as well…lol Never plan on going back, after Lich King classic is done I’m done again. BC and Lich King were the best ever expansions but when Activision took over went down from there.