I was a healer in Vanilla with no addons

Stop it man, thats not the same. Reading or taking instruction on a task & then going and doing it, is far different than taking directed instruction in real time when on task. An add-on, micro manages you on the task in real time and doesnt require you to remember the instructions on how to be successful in performing the task, same way OBR assist you dont need to remember your specs attack rotation to max your dps

Also Vanilla you had to know what you were actually doing. Add ons were minimal and all the online media that exists now and add ons didnt exist then and 40 ppl had to coordinate to take down a boss. But somehow years later all these gameplay assists exist but the playerbase is better. Yeah raid bosses got more intricate to deal with when the devs had to account for the mods lol. However someone needs to show that all the play-testing for raids/instances were ALWAYS done with mods for them to be considered critical. If they have ppl that push the top content w/out add-ons and play test it successfully, the whole argument is doa :v:

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I guess you could make that argument in the sense if twitch reactions and movement. Vanilla players were also pretty good at the game in terms of what was available at the time. Min-maxers in vanilla got pretty wild.

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posting in a troll thread

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It’s not necessarily a lie, but it’s an unproductive attitude in general.

Bad players can play this game, too. There are more bad players than good players.

Tell me you never fought Garr without add-ons without telling you never fought Garr without add-ons


I regularly heal to 1800 for the PvP sets, and I am fairly minimal with addons.

That being said, healing is generally regarded as one of the more addon-reliant roles.

Dispelling and whatnot, at a moment’s notice requires attention.

As well as knowing others’ cooldowns for their defensives and knowing when to use your mega healing.

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Not if its simple enough and the game is able to teach you while you level. Now if you want to raid without wiping once, of course yea.

I’ve heard Blizz are creating a Pinball Wizard mode, where you play by sense of smell, that’s why the addons are going apparently.

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Pretty good one. Lure and bait and draw all in one headline. Nice job.

I agree with that. The “tell” though was when Classic was offered and a zillion players went Frost Mage because now, they’d seen sims and stats and talents – things not possible back in Vanilla.

Everyone gets help from addons, that’s the point of them. The issue is a lot players (mostly those that don’t engage in challenging content) think the addons “play the game” for anyone which is a completely asinine idea with a lot of them not saying it in a hyperbolic way.

Also pruning classes, which for all of that im fine with it because it’s necessary if players won’t be able to access information via addons.

People still fall without them, what’s there to entertain from? Seeing people fail?

Smug mythic raiders? There is a great gap between mythic raiders and the good ones won’t suffer with less cognitive load in midnight.

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The fact people actually believe this is so insane and so telling where the casual playerbase’s knoweldge/headspace is at lol.

Like, how do you argue with this level of incorrect?

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Kinda agree, but sometimes you got to call it for what is it especially when you compare distinct periods of time of the game.

Completely agree, the difference is OP is comparing modern WoW to how things where bad in Vanilla.

A bad player today would be a really good player back then because they are way more knowledgable just look at Classic 2019 most players didn’t have an issue clearing raids a they did back in the day.

Obviously there where 15 years of knowledge, but most important players today are just in general better because they got used to more loaded specs and mechanics even the bad ones which as you say the mayority today.

Liquid did mythic Fractilus on PTR without weakauras.

I’m sorry to tell you this, but if you’re not remotely good at the game, it’s not because you aren’t using the same add-ons as other people.

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Nothing Blizzard is doing for Midnight will accomplish either of those goals.

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It’s hilarious because my guild has Nexus-King at 10% last night and the fight has no required weak-auras telling you what to do.

I have a WeakAura that shows me the duration of the dot.

They really think every boss is Fractilus.

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Fract is just counting to 5 any way. I pugged to aotc pretty quick and nobody used the wa for it. Wild.

He’s definitely a lot harder without it but completely doable on Mythic.

It would just take more than 5 pulls.

One cast, impressive.

Indeed. Well done!

I also had no add ons in WoW during vanilla.

You may wonder “but Akston
you always said that you started in TBC right?”

And I would respond with “Wow
toxic
”

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