I Want Wrath Classic, Not Cataclysm!

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That’s cap, if they did a poll, most players in the whole classic will end up playing wrath over any other iteration

Compare wrath population in og days vs og retail;
compare classic wrath population vs any other classic population
compare wrath population in og days from any other expansion

Wrath is and will stay as the best option, there’s a reason there are 14 year old private servers with high population and average players similar to our biggest population realms, and these private server andys also have an average of over 12 characters, they enjoy playing the expansion indefinitely with their alts with their boys over any other expansion and their global chat is always popping. You literally see 14 year old characters everywhere all the time.

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The best option, the one that almost everyone takes, is to play a game for a couple of years then to move onto a different game or a new expansion. No matter what the game is or how good it is the vast majority of people play it for a couple years then move onto a new game or expansion. Everyone knows this, every gaming company knows this. That’s why every gaming company starts working on the next expansion for their popular games as soon as they release it.

Every company knows that what people will do for free tells them nothing about what they will pay a monthly fee for. The latest person to learn that the subscription model usually fails was Musk. Far more people used twitter/x then play wow in all it’s forms yet still almost no one was willing to pay for it.

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That is cap

That is one iteration for a specific demographic that wants something new every couple months

There is also the clear demand there for players that enjoy a specific expansion and have no intereset on playing anything else at all

The fact is both type of demographics exist, and during wrath lots of players joined just for wrath and quit right after, both during OG days and also during Wrath days.

I will argue that you and i are right, meaning the demand is there for both type of games.

My argument based on real stats is that Wrath IS the best eternal option simply because it has the largets population and support from players that have been playing this specific expansion for 14 years

Also take a look at Asias Wrath, they are literally having a blast and are destroying population records vs any other classic iteration, once again proving the stat over and over and over again.

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People are literally subscribing to only play wrath and that population was the best in classic history, lots of forums posts were also created to request 1 single eternal realm to exist, because the demand is clearly there.

Compare it to Cataclysm, we are a joke in comparison to the population a year from today.

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That’s what people said when they asked for vanilla era. They cited how popular vanilla private servers are. They said it would be more popular than BC classic. I actually believed them. Until vanilla era servers were dead. The number of players who will pay to play the same expansion forever is scant, not enough for blizzard to make a profit. I’ve no doubt that if blizzard decided to take a loss and offer wrath or any other expansion for free they all would be popular. People love to get free stuff on the internet. But the history of the subscription model on the internet is mostly a history of failure. Musk is simply the most recent person to learn that. Twitter/x had a much larger user base than wow and the sub model still failed when he tried it. If just 25% of the users had agreed to pay a monthly sub X would have been a massive success for Musk. But he couldn’t even get that.

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Again, out of any expansion wrath will always sustain the highest population, this has been proved time over time.

If your question is money, its not valid for two reasons

1.- Players are actively suscribed to cata , and were to wrath , just to play that expansion, no other expansion, the demand was clearly there.
Not only that but the demand for wrath is proven higher than cataclysm (or any other classic expansion to this date)

2.- Even if it was free, private realms still have a cash shop, and the cash shop in itself is very profitable to attract both players than want to play for free, or players that want to spend money similar to our current cash shop

The reason why an eternal realm specifically will only work for wrath is because of its results in terms of high population demand for that specific expansion, meaning most players playing during wrath only care about that expansion and would rather quit the game than having to play any other iteration of the game , because in their eyes, wrath is the only version of wow they ever intend to play.

Henced why so many players quit after launch of cataclysm during OG days 14 years ago , and also last year during launch of cataclysm.

If you look at the charts and compare the average population for all of classic eras and og days.

Wrath sustained the highest average population from phase 1 to phase 4
Cataclysm peaked on launch and went downhill . we currently have 1/4th or less of a population vs naxrammas during phase 1 end on wrath.

And we all know firelands is going to be peak cataclysm and dragonsoul will always be one of the worst due to having one of the worst end boss mechanics in history, like the fight is like playing gunship during wrath

This happened both in OG days and during our classic iteration, numbers are literally recreating themselves due to insanity. (Doing something again and expecting a different result )

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Maybe wrath is the most popular but no one has ever proved that people are willing to pay a monthly fee for it for more than a couple years at most. If fact all the evidence is that almost no one will pay a monthly sub for almost nothing on the internet. Why do you think wrath even exists? Or BC? Vanilla was such a great game blizzard should have just stopped there and everyone would have paid a monthly fee for the last 20 years just to play that.

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It’s the best casual iteration, it’s up to blizzard to make their mind in how to implement it
demand will be there because in average most players will pay wrath, statistically and historically speaking.

they can chosse they make it a part of the subscription, or a cheaper subscription for players , demand will be there for wrath specifically over any expansion

If they release it for free and implement and aggressive shop like the one in private realms, they will make more money out of it than any subscription, convenience and time saving is an “investment” from a whale perspective, which lots of mmos do benefit from, like lost ark getting whales from cash shop worth of 10k-100k first month per whale.

It’s not like they need to put any resources on it in terms of labor, just from infrastructure, which only requires one giga realm which can be done for very very very cheap, all the coding for it is already set and done.

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I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Adding a cash shop for anything more than aesthetic items would be a seismic event for wow. The backlash would be massive.

Blizzard has always run wow as a subscription model with a limited cash shop. They’ve decided wrath era would not make a sufficient profit using that model and decided not to implement it. From a purely business sense that seems like a wise decision to me. What ever complaints you might have with blizzard’s creative decisions it just sold to microsoft for 75.4 billion dollars. Very few gaming companies reach that level of value. It doesn’t happen by leaving easy money on the table but by making correct business decision much more often than not. Blizzard has much more data than you or I and when they don’t think wrath era would be profitable I tend to believe them more than you.

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You are assuming vs looking at it from the data is already there

No blizzard official has ever officially mentioned that what you are saying is facts, you are making up your own narrative and assuming they support it because they simply decided to move to cata even tho they lost most of their population
A coincidence doesn’t support your thoughts.

You literally can look at the population history and suscription history in all expansions for wow, in og and classic editions, and in both case scenarios , wrath has sustained the highest population and suscription over the 4 phases, not only that but it has also sustained the highest population of any private realm version of the game vs any other private realm expansion
to give you an idea, retail og classic private realms are a ant vs a wrath private realm in terms of popularity and population over time

When they did a poll for Classic expansions back in the day, the results were wrath>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

panda>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>cata with most players taking the poll showing no intereset.

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You keep thinking that what people will do for free gives us information about what they will pay a monthly sub for. All the evidence should tell you you’re wrong. But now days people rarely look at evidence. Mostly they go with their fee fees. /shrug You should talk to Musk so he can explain to you why that isn’t true based on his recent failed attempt to create a subscription model for X.

You know, when Musk tried to replace lost advertising dollars with subscriptions I guessed it would not work. I said the history of subscription models on the internet is mostly a history of failure. No matter how big the user base rarely has it translated into a profitable sub model. So I guess I out thought Musk on that point.

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“Back in the day this, back in the day that”

Time to move on gramps. Wrath sucked. OG was fine, rerunning it was actually awful and showed just how many cracks there really are in the game.

If you’re so down bad for LK content, go back to Warmane, no one here will miss you or care.

Or stay here and keep giving Blizzard money for a product they aren’t even presenting as an option. I’m sure they’re so hurt that you’re still making their bottom line better for literally nothing in return.

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Wotlk classic was mid at best.

Phase 1 was the worst phase 1 of a classic game.

Ulduar was good.

Onyxia for the 10th time was terrible.

Togc was a 30m raid…meh.

ICC was good.

RS was a fun fight but a 1 boss raid to hold us over for a new xpac.

It’s such an over hyped xpac.

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The funny thing is Cata’s only problem is 4 things imo:
-Not embracing enough retail systems (Challenge Mode Dungeons, Solo Que Rated BGs/Arenas)
-Content cadence is actually too slow
-Leveling speed is bit too slow (increase by at least 100%)
-No new content (Think the vash raid that got canceled, easily could of developed that in along with maybe some new dungeons and raids etc)

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Very well written. But I think tbc might be the best bet for proving interest in a potential wrath era as it might have the most to gain from some changes now the no changes movement is dead, plus it would be too embarrassing for them to drop a wrath server now.

But given how things are I think it would be in terms of people’s demand for era tbc would be top then wrath, then mop. Not sure we need blizzard to post a poll because anyone with enough traffic could do so. As well the original wow forum post requesting wrath had likes in the thousands before it was taken down.

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I’d love to do a new TBC where they made shaman buffs raid wide tho.

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tbc was by far the most fun out of all the classic re-released expansions (not counting classic itself)

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Phase one was awful

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Have a mage port you to dalaran and you can still do wrath now

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Alot of us want permanent wrath classic era servers. Here is to hoping we get them from blizzard some day.

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