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Not at all. You have NDAs on a lot of pointless things good or bad. I don’t know if it still has any legal teeth to it but agreeing to an NDA is agreeing to an NDA. You used to have to accept these things for alpha and beta testing until they realized streaming alpha tests were actually really good for advertising. That’s why in TBC beta you saw nothing until magically one day a bunch of stuff got dropped on the same day because the NDA was lifted. Especially when it came to things like pvp videos.

Elder Scrolls Online beta testing came with not only an NDA associated with it, they plastered your email all over your screen with a watermark so if you posted anything like a screenshot or a video they knew exactly who was breaking the NDA.

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If I follow that line of reasoning.

Magdelena was mad that the devs weren’t listening to the VIP forums (that they made up) because the devs weren’t listening to them?

Seems a little convoluted, even for someone disgruntled with Blizzard.

The problem has never been Blizzard getting access to feedback. It’s always been that Blizzard look at that feedback and go “nah, we know better” with Covenants being a perfect example on that.

Unless Blizzard do a pretty massive heel-turn attitude wise, the council isn’t going to do anything but further erode player faith in the devs when feedback gets posted, gets huge support and then gets promptly ignored.

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You absolutely don’t know how law enforcement works.

Seriously???

I just… I don’t even. :woman_facepalming:t4:

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Right.

An unsigned NDA has zero legal standing, thus, it carries exactly zero weight.

If you want to remove the chance of a council being hand-picked, here’s an option I’ve seen in other games …

Organize server discords where each guild can send their guild leader and delegates

  1. Guilds must have 50 accounts
  2. Each 50 accounts after the initial 50 gain one delegate that guild can send to the server discord
  3. Guilds collect their server suggestions/concerns bi-weekly
  4. Compose a combined list
  5. Vote as a server to send one delegate to the region discord monthly
  6. Pass along all that’s been collected to blizzard

You are 100% wrong. You don’t have to sign an NDA, you can agree to it. The same way that when you scroll through that giant wall of text that we know as a Terms of Service agreement still holds up in court if you violate it. Simply because courts realize it’s not feasible to either mail it to someone and have them physically sign it, or making them go to you in order to sign it, especially over something small. Definitely the case when you realize 90% of what we do is online these days.

I don’t sign any Terms of Service for Blizzard, but if I were to go and boot up a private server in the US they could legally punish me for violating that agreement, as well as copyright.

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What Is a Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA)?

A non-disclosure agreement is a legally binding contract that establishes a confidential relationship. The party or parties signing the agreement agree that sensitive information they may obtain will not be made available to any others. An NDA may also be referred to as a confidentiality agreement.

Let me know if you saw the part in there about signing, and if you want the link for it so i can show actual proof about my claim.

You’re conflating copyright law with contract law. Two different animals.

I completely agree with you. I want to come back and play again. But with the current state of things I’m not going to. So I hope it creates a lot of change going forward.

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So, are you just this daft? When you check the box saying “I have read and understand the terms of the agreement” then accept it that’s viewed of as an electronic signature. I also didn’t bring up signing it, I said I agreed to it because unlike you I understand “agreeing/accepting” an electronic document is the same as signing it.

Like yeah, I didn’t physically sign the documents my workplace sent me to agree to for employment, doesn’t mean they held less weight because breaching them could still land me in hefty legal trouble because I BROKE A CONTRACTUAL AGREEMENT.

When the user accepts the terms – i.e. checking a box or clicking a button to indicate acceptance – the Terms and Conditions become a legally binding contract.

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“Signing” does not have to be a physical signature on such things. I had NDAs when I worked for gaming companies and none were physically signed. They were legal agreements that I agreed to by acknowledgement.

Armchair lawyer and law enforcement strikes again. lol

I did not ask you if you had put pen to paper, i asked you if you signed a legally binding contract. I dont care how it was signed, if you did, then surely there would be a record of it, right?

If the devs are forced to listen even if it’s just because Blizzard have gotten an absolute butt-kicking reputation-wise and their bosses are making them listen, I think that’s a net positive.

But I’ve seen Blizzard snatch defeat from the jaws of victory before and if they don’t handle this forum well, then there’ll be even less reason to have faith in Blizzard.

Nah, he’s just sealioning.

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When the user accepts the terms – i.e. checking a box or clicking a button to indicate acceptance – the Terms and Conditions become a legally binding contract.

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Ok. Show the record of it.

Bruh.

I gave you a solid video.

Please stop harassing people in my thread.

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That’s a new one to me!

Dude just stop. You’re being ridiculous. NDAs aren’t always public documents. :roll_eyes: None of mine were. They specifically said so.

No one is digging up stuff from Mists era for your insane obsession.

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Nope. You dont have to respond to me if you dont like what i have to say, but since when is asking for actual proof of the nonsense claims being made tantamount to harassment?

Dude, have you ever signed an NDA before? Probably not, I can’t imagine you ever are in situations that require NDAs, which is to say you’ve probably never been trusted with something of any significance to a company or individual.

Most NDAs have a clause that showing the NDA is considered a breach of contract. Hell with how draconian Blizzard is I think even mentioning I had to sign an NDA is a breach of it. Yes, in most NDAs the NDA itself is considered under that non disclosure agreement and referencing it is a breach of it.

However again, I’m not digging for a 5 to 7 year old email to sate your curiosity.

Comes from this comic.

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Ok. So in reality, I and anyone else reading, is supposed to take your “word for it”.

No thanks.