I use to be classic > tbc

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but i was completely wrong.

my idea of what rank 14’s were when i was 11ish was the top of the top pvpers, people out doing 1v5s inbetween ques all doing pvp movie worthy slaughtering of the opposite faction playing their classes better than their opponents, the best of the best when it came to PVP

i wouldnt even LISTEN to people who talked bad about classic, or rank 14s being no lifes etc.

turns out its 14 year olds and 70 year olds on disability in AV discords who avoid pvp at all costs and rush drek so they indeed dont become keks.

i was enjoying ranking during world pvp, sure mid to late day you were running around with 5-10 people zerging but i always started my day solo in felwood, happy to play a warrior searching out 1v1s, 1v2s, and even 1v3s for max solo honor,

i hit rank 10 when bgs came out and then it was discovered the meta shifted toward av, and some people figured out you could queue cross server in discord by getting 200 people in a channel same time count it down, 20 people get the same av, 40 people get the same av, 30 people, you get it

so i did this for a week, hit rank 11, (my goal was 12 for pve bis), and i literally gave up on my childhood ‘dream’ i played warrior for years and years trying to become as good as i can, and when i heard classic was coming i couldnt wait to display how good ive gotten, only to find out that wasnt the case and that there is actually no skill involved in rank 14 grind once bgs hit.

please, bring tbc faster so these rank 14s can be shown for the 1400 rat lords they are

on a side note: thanks blizz for releasing classic, and also the class design there was amazing, and the game itself without all the min maxers and no lifers who pride themselves on being able to sit in a chair for 18 hours a day for 3 months who take all the mysticism out of the game, is really amazing. i have friends who are playing it for the first time who love it and i envy them. so thank you for doing it even tho i thought i did but i didnt. lol

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PvP was an absolute afterthought in Vanilla and anyone who is being honest realizes this. I mean the honor system was tacked on and not well thought-out.

TBC greatly remedied the honor system and rewarded skill. It also made the honor grind pay off for average players who put in the work.

Glad you’ve come to realize this - welcome to Team TBC.

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I agree TBC improved upon the honor system, but it should be noted the honor system functioned much differently with 1.5 AV and no cross realm. wPvP wasn’t so saturated with much smaller server populations.

The conditions are completely different for this point in the game. If this were reflecting vanilla at this moment when AV and WSG were out the top honor grinders would be the people in the best Warsong Gulch 10 mans winning games the most and the quickest.

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i will concede that point. the version of AV that was released, i defended a few times simply because i didnt know the damage it would do to the game. i was wrong. im sure if i rolled horde id be having more fun world pvping in between bgs and stuff, but ally ranking is an absolute cancer.

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Ally ranking is just stomping an unorganized group over and over.

It’s just the Alliance doing the same thing that the Horde did to us in wPvP. Watching them cry on the forums has been kinda fun, but the matches are really not.

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I used to be classic > tbc

I still am, but I used to be too

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i can tell by how bad your character looks :slight_smile:

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I had the most fun in WoW in both Vanilla & TBC, but today TBC would be more fun, since it is basically just a more-refined version of the Vanilla ruleset & had more racial/class options, talent points to spend, better class balance/refinement, etc.

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As I understand it, it’s not even Allies stomping disorganized horde, it’s allies zerg rushing and then doing an exploit pull in order to maximize honor by ironically avoiding PVP at all costs in what is supposed to be an epic 40 man brawl.

As To BC and other expansions: my ideal would be for every expansion to be released in the same veign as Classic, with players being able to expierience each expansion as it was in the time when it was current with all of it’s wonders and warts.

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My feeling is that TBC has reasons to log in other than simply raiding. Arena, Heroics, and dailies.

Most of my guild in Classic went from 6 hrs a day playing to raid logging for 3 hrs a week… Sad.

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Nothing wrong with the version of AV we have. Xrealm bgs are the real issue.

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well if we had the older version of AV, that would mean it isnt meta, correct? and then xrealm wouldnt matter. so your point is kind of irrelevant because alot of people thought xrealm wsg premades vs high ranked pvpers without having to play on a server with que times would of been really fun

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Nope. Because we’d still zerg down the other version of AV with zero issues too.

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idk, i cant think of anything worse than being confined to queing against only your server. sounds atrocious. id rather just quit the game and do neither of those god awful choices.

(which i did)

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Queuing against your own server only was how it was for the majority of vanilla. It’s where yout faction rivalries were born and players squared off against each other, developing reputations.

With xrealm, they’re just one more zug zug in the crowd of zugs that you’ll never see again.

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i have plenty of faction rivalry from the month or whatever it was of world pvp. so to disregard that to pump up your argument of server only ques is kinda lame but ok i see we have differing opinions on this.

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World pvp is an entirely different beast from throwing two real, guild premades at each other in WSG/AB. Both can be fun.

I prefer well fought AB matches myself. But we won’t see those either under this system.

All we will see is premades stomping pugs. Waste of time.

In any case, back then both sides had queue times because the number of concurrent matches was small. This meant you could get in sometimes 3 AB or WSG matches in the same time frame as 1 AV. Thats why AV was not the top earner.

Add cross realm so one faction essentially has instant queues, and only the bg worth the most honor becomes valuable. That’s why we have the AV meta we have.

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im not part of the #nochanges gang, #morechanges optimize classic

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The reason Blizzard went with cross realm was to make the BG system function at all on most servers.

They weren’t stupid, they new players would segregate themselves, which would mean on many servers BG’s would be basically unplayable by one faction or the other.

Without cross realm you would be looking at 3-4 hour queues for AV, if it popped at all, and WSG wouldn’t be a whole lot better.

People want to blame Blizzard for most of the problems, when the reality is most of it is player driven. Players know the tricks to it all, and everyone thinks they just gotta hit rank X right this second.

Not everything about TBC was better, but PvP systems absolutely were.

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100% agree that most of it is player driven.

But, I believe in suffering the consequences of our choices. Players want to break the game? Let us. If we suffer for it? Too bad. Maybe don’t break the game.

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