I think designing for unmotivated and anti social players ruins the game for others

[Zeusgodofsky-thrall (Zeusgodofsky)]

I do it for the easy gold nothing else now which imho is fine got me some easy wow tokens because of it feels good man!

[Revolution-emerald-dream]

You do world quests for gold?

[Zeusgodofsky-thrall (Zeusgodofsky)]

Yes i got 12 classes super easy gold why wouldn’t i?

[Revolution-emerald-dream]

I didn’t mean to imply you shouldn’t be doing that. It’s only uncommon to hear world quests being used to earn gold. So, you do the ones that reward gold on 12 toons? Daily? How much gold is that roughly?

[Zeusgodofsky-thrall (Zeusgodofsky)]

a few thousands gold give or take and thats not includeing the 3 to 4k gold you get for reaching 10k rep over time chest reward for reaching it.it really is fast with flying now then before.I gotten 10k just from reping alone for today.

[Revolution-emerald-dream]

Oh, yeah, I forgot about the extra reputation rewards at the end. Keep up the fine work.

[Fluffergyrl-dalaran (Fluffergyrl)]

@Grøm-altar-of-storms

Okay, we’re going to have some fun!

RPG doesn’t just mean literal RP, à la Moon Guard or Emerald Dream. An RPG where you play your role (tank, healer), and class (DK, Mage) in order to accomplish objectives; as an MMORPG, that involves doing it with others.

I’m not saying we need to remove or nerf or sequester or [ insert fear-based nonsense buzzword ] solo-play in WoW. I think Primal is wrong; not everyone plays this game the same, nor should they be asked to.

But to pretend like the multi-player RPG aspect of World of Warcraft is anything but essential to the game as a whole is disingenuous.

That is the post you responded to.

Apologies, this is the post I was responding to:

@Grøm-altar-of-storms

Oxford

Again I am simply stating that even if the “multi-player RPG aspect of World of Warcraft is essential to the game as a whole” it still doesn’t mean that grouping with others is required. The fact that the option is there for players is all that’s required. Just like society, you can be a perfectly functional member and still be a basic loner.

[Sakhari-emerald-dream]

Honestly…

I just want the best of the old systems back.

No titanforging, no warforging, no endless grinds.

Content rewards loot correlating with difficulty and I can gear BiS for whatever content I’m doing…then pick up an alt, or decide to push rating in PvP, or go do whatever.

Give me MoP class design and PvP, WoD’s PvP gear and gearing system, Wrath’s raiding where entire raids weren’t rendered obsolete as soon as a new tier dropped, and reasonable, rational, rewarding gear progression.

And I want PvP servers back as well as sharding gone gone gone.

[Failadin-arathor]

@Vanndrel-wyrmrest-accord

But I’ve already done the past solo content. That’s the reason I run past expansion end game content. Keeping old end game content gated just gives me fewer reasons to continue being subscribed and not finding another game to play.

Oh my bad I thought you were taking current. What old content can you not clear at this point?

[Grøm-altar-of-storms]

@Davrille-moon-guard

No one can force players to do content they don’t want to.

Correct, and no one should be able to.

[Grøm-altar-of-storms]

@Upnya-pagle

Get over it and stop attempting to make adults follow your schedule.

Literally no one, except maybe the OP, is telling you what to do. And I don’t agree with the OP.

Get over it, and learn to read… you know, like an adult.

[Grøm-altar-of-storms]

@Fluffergyrl-dalaran

it still doesn’t mean that grouping with others is required.

Certainly not formal groups, no (as in, dungeon/raid/pvp “groups”).

And if people want to spend their $15 to play solo in WoW, I’m all for that. It’s their money, and I hope they get their money’s worth!

EDIT:

[Argorwal-ysera (Argorwal)]

@Grøm-altar-of-storms

The problem with LFR is that some (though certainly not all) players will do LFR, think that they’ve seen the content and “raided”… and then stop.

Normal-Mythic requires some level of engagement with the community of raiders. LFR doesn’t, and that is problematic for the raid scene.

Now, there are certainly those people who have raided, and only have time for LFR, as well as those for whom LFR is a “max level” thing. That’s fine; this is why I don’t want LFR removed. But the raiders do have a point.

They came out and said years ago that the vast majority that would only do LFR weren’t likely to “step up” and be in the normal raid recruitment pool.

They just wouldn’t be raiding at all.

[Krexen-korialstrasz (Krexen)]

@Grøm-altar-of-storms

The problem with LFR is that some (though certainly not all) players will do LFR, think that they’ve seen the content and “raided”… and then stop.

For a lot of players, LFR is merely to experience the content, myself included. There are many who use it to gear out, some who use it to abuse other players via chat, and some who think literally what you stated.

The problem a lot of people have with LFR, comes mostly from the small group of vocal LFR players who act like they’re elite players, when they’ve barely touched the content.

I’d totally raid higher than LFR, if I could find the time, but it’s just not possible with my life anymore, like it was 10 years ago.

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

@Grøm-altar-of-storms

@Blavod-dragonblight

MMO

WoW is an MMORPG.

There’s a bit more to it than just, “a bunch of people are on line in the same world at the same time.”

Nowhere in Massively Multiplayer Online RolePlaying Game do the words Forced to Group to Do Content appear. Not anywhere.

I know you hold a different and more nuanced view of this discussion than the OP, Grom…as I’ve mentioned in the past…but when people use the acronym to make a point about grouped vs solo content in an MMO that’s just my go-to repsonse.

[Valadus-thrall]

Are you trying to pretend that MMOs aren’t built on the base of group content? Group content is the foundation of MMOs.

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

@Valadus-thrall

Are you trying to pretend that MMOs aren’t built on the base of group content? Group content is the foundation of MMOs

No, I’m pointing out that using the MMORPG acronym to infer grouped content is required is misleading.

[Valadus-thrall]

Not trying to be a jerk but what about the multiplayer part? To me, multiplayer indicates that you will be playing together with people.

[Grøm-altar-of-storms]

@Argorwal-ysera

They came out and said years ago that the vast majority that would only do LFR weren’t likely to “step up” and be in the normal raid recruitment pool.

When?

[Murgatroyd-lightbringer (Murgatroyd)]

@Valadus-thrall

Not trying to be a jerk but what about the multiplayer part? To me, multiplayer indicates that you will be playing together with people

No jerkiness detected.

To me, dating all the way back to the beta of Asheron’s Call which began my days as an MMO gamer, it has always meant playing in the same world as many other people who I might, or might not, group up with as part of my gaming.

Absolutely there is content that requires a bunch of people to beat in almost every MMO (except maybe SWG, where grouping tended to happen mostly around PvP) and I have no issues with that at all. I’m fine with content that can not be solo’d. I’m not fine with the people shouting LFR is killing WoW! or LFR shouldn’t exist! (or any variant of that) thinking that somehow LFR and LFD are not group content and are inherently bad for the game or that “MMO” is self-defining as a place where grouping is required.