wheres aneurysm when you need him? hes got more patience for people drooling all over themselves while they type.
a cooldown you use for dmg.,⌠it gives more dmg. The mechanics or wtv your issue with it is, is another thing. Itâs alot easier to keep one thing constant and change another thing than to change 2 things at once and balance that.
drools over your lack of arguments
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i made my argument. youre just simply saying youd rather be top of the damage meter than have a functioning class. if thats what you want just reroll to fotm every patch. why are you so stuck on shadow priest?
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lets be honest, youre not getting invited to groups regardless of what happens.
We have a functioning class. We do dmg and are PI buffbots. Itâs not fun, but there it is.
Iâd rather they only implement changes to VF /DA when they have an actual plan. Not just throw half-assed cooldowns at us and then tell us âSee you in 2 patches maybe.â
I play shadowpriest cause I like purple.
I am still around, lurking about. But I am not as active currently for a combination of reasons
- Real life responsibilities having a more active role as of late going into fall.
- Already provided the feedback/arguments to the issues/concerns that the rest of the community are now forced to consider since the recent bluepost dump.
- Taking a break and letting other voices be heard.
- Enjoying the chaotic backlash from the priest community in a sick sadistic sort of way.
- Waiting for a follow up bluepost/changes brought upon the communities reception of this last one.
- Waiting for if/when I get beta access to condense my feedback and thoughts into the beta feedback thread.
So for now, I am just chilling a bit and reading others thoughts and opinions.
But what I can say is⌠I saw this train coming a mile away and tried to get in front of it. But alas, too much bickering about non issues and blizzard dragging their feet (both recently in DF feedback and ever since the massive Legion changes to our class/specs as a whole) both compounded the issues we have now and thus you see an explosion of rightful outrage at the clear double standard Priest had and continues to have compared to the rest of the classes. So seeing if anything will come of this or if I will just either leave retail priest for good this time.
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Getting tuning right is one thing, no tuning at all is another.
Usually M+ testing happens, some tuning happens. Then raid testing happens, and in the final couple weeks a BOATLOAD of tuning happens even though a good chunk of stuff is still bugged/not working.
So chances are we WILL have very different numbers before launch. Itâs not too worth worrying about numbers right now in general because no matter what theyâre gonna blow up just before launch.
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The class is literally being stripped of utility and balanced around PI. A better protest would be to play another class especially after that tone deaf blue post.
If you play another class it doesnât solve anything.
The best thing to do is a mass sub cancelling of priests. This will obviously not happen because of addiction.
The second best thing is refuse to play another class. Be miserable, protest, complain. We like to play the priest. We were shown what all priests have wanted since the beginning of time and it was taken away. Under trumped up charges of PVP, OTHER CLASSES HAVE IT, TO MUCH UTILITY, NOT CLASS LORE. All the while other classes with utility have gotten more of the stuff weâve lost.
Itâs an assault on the Priest. Also we are going through the 1023192381923 iteration of shadow so yeah that is fun.
We should probably be seeing a new build with Priest updates today or tomorrow so Iâm holding back my feedback until I see it.
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So long as it says âweâre sorry, you all are right, the direction we were taking priest was pretty terribleâ
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I honestly want changes already, the recent position changes made me dislike the current itteration.
honestly the only thing i liked was the mind spike change and the tithe change to class tree.
probably would like the void torrent change more if the position wasnât trash.
Bad positioning, Trash walls.
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What were we shown? The priest update that everyone was happy about already lacked Shining Force, and weâve never had silence in the priest tree since the DF trees were being shown off.
Rather, Blizz just took a stance on questions that were being asked about the tree and everyone was disappointed with that stance. Itâs not broken promises as much as itâs just some design ideas that priests disagree with.
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If theyâve admitted they are including or not including something, itâs admission that it was deeply thought over and considered. This is âSHOWINGâ
Also its been awhile and this is all the way at the bottom of the blizz tracker so here you go.
Greetings Priests,
Today, weâre shining some light on decisions weâve made for Priests over the past few weeks for Dragonflight. First, we want to share thoughts on how things are shaping up overall and then go into some specific spells that weâre reading feedback about.
Number of Active Spells
We agree. Priests have too many active spells. While we think there will be more to assess as the expansion plays out, the first spell that comes to mind is Shadow Mend feeling unnecessary with Flash Heal being available to all Priests. Instead of Shadow Mend as a talent that overrides Flash Heal, we are working towards removing the spell. We realize that losing a secondary healing school lockout may not sit well with Discipline Priests in PvP, but weâre happy with this direction overall. While no plans are in place right now, weâre also discussing Mindgames and Power Word: Life as contributing to the number of active spells for Priests.
Class Tree
Overall, we feel the class tree is in a good spot. As mentioned above, there are too many active spells and weâre looking to pull back on that. For Shadow, the Class tree has shaped out well. Weâre less happy about how many nodes can feel mandatory for Holy and Discipline and this is something weâll be looking to improve over time.
Discipline
We will continue to monitor feedback surrounding the changes weâve made to Renew and Power Word: Shield for Dragonflight. Currently, we do not have plans to change this and think it is playing well.
Historically Discipline has revolved heavily around Penance. We want to allow for builds that are centered around Penance, but also open opportunities for other spells in the Discipline toolkit to shine if invested into, such as Smite and Power Word: Shield. We look forward to your feedback on if this is felt with the tree, tuning aside.
For Shadow Covenant, weâre looking to take away the downsides so that it encourages Shadow spells but doesnât discourage Holy spells. Shadow Covenant has gone through a lot of change, but weâre hoping this is a step in the right direction.
Holy
Lightweaver is our alternative design to Flash Concentration. Weaving between Flash Heal and Heal is fun, but wound up feeling like a maintenance buff. We believe having a back-and-forth between the spells with stacks to improve situational usability is a better direction for single-target focused builds.
When it comes to Xâanshi (now known as Restitution), we are excited to keep the effect around for Holy Priests. We were uncertain of where this should belong in the tree, but after more deliberation decided it was best competing with the more powerful talents, so it has been moved to row 10 of the tree. We know adding this in was not desirable for PvP players. While we have no plans to disable the effect in PvP, we are discussing ways to tone down its effect in PvP so that the Priest is in more danger after resurrecting. This node also competes with two charges of Holy Word: Serenity, so they will be giving up valuable throughput for the effect.
Shadow
Now that the tree has been in front of players for a couple weeks, we are reasonably happy with what we have, with room to grow in the future. Our initial thoughts on Voidform being optional is something we stand by. How to accomplish this while continuing to support Voidform and improve its gameplay is a challenge we want to continue to discuss and work on. Currently, weâre happy with where weâve landed with Void Eruption competing with Dark Ascension so thereâs not too many cooldown spells. With that said, Dark Ascension is visually exciting, but we feel it is currently lacking in identity. Weâre discussing changes like Dark Ascension being more rotationally transformative while active or having a different cooldown than Void Eruption, so that its use cases over Void Eruption are more clear. We donât have plans to make major changes to either spell for Dragonflight launch, but they will be on our radar for the future.
Mind Spike and Mind Flay coexisting is something weâre going to try but are wary of. Shadow has many spells to press rotationally, and this isnât helping that. At the same time, being able to build your own Shadow Priest was a goal with this iteration and we believe the tree allows for that.
Silence
We understand that Holy and Discipline are the two specs without access to an interrupt, either baseline or in a talent tree. We also realize Shadow has Silence in their tree which adds to the number of non-throughput nodes in their tree. With that said, we are not adding Silence to the Priest class tree. Having access to an interrupt is not something we view as necessary for all specializations. In PvP, Holy and Discipline already provide valuable control to their team and additionally having Silence would provide more control than weâre comfortable with. This is especially true with how much control is becoming available across all classes in Dragonflight.
Vault of Heavens
This was discussed early on with this iteration with the intent to add it as a choice against Leap of Faith. Upon further consideration, Vault of Heavens is almost always more useful than Leap of Faith. But Leap of Faith is one of the more fun interactions in WoW. It changes your perspective on the battlefield. Youâre always ready to react to save someone. And of course, it has some clever uses to get your friends killed. If we allow for the choice, the choice is clear, or weâd have to nerf Vault of Heavens down to something that wonât feel very powerful. The fantasy of the Priest leaping to their target doesnât match our expectations for a Priest either, so we instead separated Body and Soul from Angelic Feather for a little extra movement support and kept Leap of Faith as a standalone.
Shining Force
This spell was deliberately removed in Dragonflight. Powerful spells being removed can cause frustration; however, the amount of control available across all classes in Dragonflight is causing concern. On top of this, the prevalence of knockbacks is already increasing in Dragonflight PvP and knockbacks can be the most influential control effect on arena or battleground maps with verticality.
Spectral Guise
Weâve read feedback about a desire for the return of Spectral Guise. We discussed the ability early on and decided against it, and our stance has not changed. We do not want Priests entering stealth especially in PvP, as it removes the Priest from the target and focus frame and occurs frequently. Hunters, Rogues, and Mages already do this often enough.
Mind Bomb
In its current form as a disorient we donât think it is very compelling as a replacement to Psychic Scream besides preventing movement during the effect. What we anticipate is desired is the AoE stun version of the spell, but we are not planning to bring that forward. We pulled back on AoE stun duration and availability some time ago and decided against adding this one back so that we wouldnât find ourselves in the same situation we were in the past. If everyone has an AoE stun, then itâs not going to feel special to have one in the first place.
Personal Defenses
For similar reasons as Silence, we will not be adding Dispersion to the Priest class tree. Healing Priests are understandably on the weaker side of the defensive spectrum, but our answer to that isnât to bring Dispersion to the class tree. Between Desperate Prayer, Power Word: Shield, Angelic Bulwark, Translucent Image, and Spell Warding, we feel Priests are in an okay spot. Weâve also increased the damage reduction effect from Translucent Image to 10% and separated Phantasm from it.
Looking forward to your feedback!
Saying youâre not going to put something in is not the same as presenting it then taking it away. 0 I saw the post, but nothing was promised, and it wasnât showing us anything we wanted, it was explaining why they donât want to give us certain things. I think theyâre wrong, but it doesnât seem right to just state they took something we never had away.
I got priest paladin and shammy on deck for DF to see which is the most meta for pvp. Naturally Iâll be making an evoker because guaranteed the first two seasons are gonna be so op before the nerd hammer comes.
Sounds like Iâll be benching my priest for other classes this xpac. Kinda like mw for season 1 and 2 shadowlands lawls
Yeah, I imagine if PvP is your goal the evoker mobility Iâve seen will literally fly laps around priest, and thatâs half the battle.